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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stefano Vaj<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] pussy riot case<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 19 August 2012 18:41, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>>…</span>This Pussy Riot case worries me. Suggestions please on how to stand in solidarity with the Pussy Rioters?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Hey, coupla years for trespassing for the purpose of committing a felony? <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stefano, no way Jose. Read on please.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span>What would it be like in the US, seven years according to federal sentencing guidelines, right? :-)<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No sir, not even close. Read on please.</span><br><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>As much as I may like vandalism of monotheists' ceremonies in principle<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'>In order to qualify as vandalism, they would have needed to physically destroy or deface in some way some physical object or asset. This the Pussy Riots did not do. (What is the plural? Is it Pussies Riot? That sounds like fun. {8-]) From the news stories, it sounds to me like it was a borderline call on trespassing, since ordinarily a church is considered unrestricted public access.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>I am too busy being concerned with Assange's predicament right now<span style='color:#1F497D'>. </span>-- Stefano Vaj<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good call, thanks for watching that. If you don’t mind, have a you a particular position on that? One that you would not mind sharing? I will go first: ignore Julian’s possibly annoying personality as irrelevant, and I don’t even know if it is true. His stance on privacy is (I think) that all public political figures in all public transactions should have their secrets open to all. We recognize this has its costs, such as our own privacy to some extent. But my notion is that government has access to our secrets, so we should get access to theirs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>…</span> Suggestions please on how to stand in solidarity with the Pussy Rioters? spike<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding Pussy Riot, I respectfully disagree with your contention in all three of your lines above: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://ivn.us/2012/08/18/what-pussy-riot-did-probably-wouldnt-even-be-a-crime-in-the-us/">http://ivn.us/2012/08/18/what-pussy-riot-did-probably-wouldnt-even-be-a-crime-in-the-us/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Putin appears to be dragging the commies back to the bad old days. We do not need, nor can we afford, another cold war. Just because the good guys (sorta) won the first time doesn’t mean we want to play again. Anything analogous to a new iron curtain must be resisted, for that essentially divided the world of engineering and science into two camps, which had to invent everything independently, and most of what we invented is mostly useless war stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We need to work with the commies, all of humanity a big, smart team, thinking and working together on how to solve the looming crisis of a worldwide energy shortage. Support Kasparov, support Pussy Riot, make your own decision on Julian and do explain your reasoning if you wish, thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Moderators note: since the Pussy Riot stuff and Julian’s case are current events and are subject to rapid change, if I get enough requests, we can declare a temporary open season on these newsworthy topics. If you have relevant stuff to say on these current events, go on ahead and post over the 5-a-day guideline, and we will let it slide unless people complain, which I doubt anyone will do on news stuff. If so, be smart and stay on topic, thanks. s<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>