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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alfio Puglisi<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] deep space again, was: RE: riots again<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:25 AM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span><br><br>Here's the photo:<br><br><a href="http://www.space.com/17755-farthest-universe-view-hubble-space-telescope.htm" target="_blank">http://www.space.com/17755-farthest-universe-view-hubble-space-telescope.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Doesn't this photo make the Fermi paradox even more problematic? Given the ginormous number of stars out there, and given that, once you achieve interstellar capability, extragalactic adventure is not that far away (i.e. the distance to Andromeda is only 20x the diameter of our Milky Way, and what's an order of magnitude between friends?), why don't we see even a damned single photon out there that even remotely smells artificial? The more we know about the cosmos, the more puzzling this problem becomes<span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span>Alfio<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alfio, how many postcards have you written to Aboriginal pen pals in the Australian outback? Neither have I. During Extro5, I kept starting one, but more interesting immediately adjacent conversations kept distracting me, and furthermore I kept being overwhelmed by the fact that I don’t know where to send the card, I don’t know their language, I don’t know their customs, I have no clue how to even start to explain to them the very basics they must understand to even vaguely grok what it was we were doing there. Even I only vaguely grok what we were doing there, with decades of preparation. The Australian aboriginals have never received a single postcard from me, even though the cost to send one would be minimal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>During that same conference, about fifty or more of us wrote out, using those ancient devices called “pen” and “paper” to two of our own however, both of whom were not in a position to receive the normal communications. The aboriginals had and now have zero knowledge of the communications from the Extro5ers to the two recipients not present at that gathering. My apologies to any Australian aboriginals who may be reading this list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suspect that any interstellar or intergalactic communications would be intentional, ultra-low bandwidth, carefully crafted and directed, requiring a specific technology to receive which we may or may not have, vaguely analogous to our writing postcards to the two prominent extropians, but not to the aboriginals.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>