On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 Mike Dougherty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msd001@gmail.com" target="_blank">msd001@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> Wanting Western Civilization to continue is selfish, so what? </blockquote><div><br>So I am selfish and proud of it and I want my government to be selfish too because I selfishly like civilization. <br></div><div><br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> It's easier to talk about "humanitarian" philosophy when every other basic (and not-so-basic) needs are fulfilled.<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Absolutely true! The only ones who say money is not important are the rich.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> I believe no oil would force Western Civilization to scale back from the level to which we have all become accustomed.</blockquote><div><br>I don't want to scale back. In general since the renaissance every generation has had a better life than the one preceding it, the one big exception was in the mid 20'th century particularly in Europe. It would suck if that were repeated. <br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> But even a reduced level of excess would still be recognized as "western civilization" </blockquote>
<div><br>Excess is good, I want excessive excess! Extropians are all about excess, how are we going to get sky hooks, Jupiter Brains and immortality without excess? <br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> I don't think it's much of a mystery why we'd like those possessing alternate ideology to be "subdued" - they have what we want and they don't want to give it to us. </blockquote><div><br>They haven't given anything to the west nor have we demanded they do so, they've sold it; and they've become fabulously rich corrupt stupid and lazy as a result, just look at the ruling family of Saudi Arabia. <br>
<br> John K Clark <br></div><div><br><br><br></div></div>