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Hi Spike,<br>
<br>
Yea, I've done exactly that - visited some nursing homes,
including ones for loss of mind/memory. It's almost as painful
for me, even though I know they aren't in as much pain, as going
to a major hospital's burn unit. And, just as you say, so much
more could be done for them with technology. I've also recently
started volunteering with Meals on Wheels - and I'm getting to
know some of the people we deliver to - regularly, so am looking
forward to asking them if they are interested in anything like
this.<br>
<br>
As with most things, it all comes down to time. Trying to provide
an income for my family, and working on the startup Canonizer.com,
doesn't seem to leave much time for such.<br>
<br>
I'm sure if we could find a group of people interested in helping
older people in one location or one particular nursing home, which
would be able to help with some of the busy / training / support
work, with our direction, that could go a long way. And it'd help
if we could find a nursing home which already had at leas some
computers available for residents to use.<br>
<br>
There are lots of people in the Mormon church that volunteer at
old folks homes. I'm sure if we could find enough of these kind
of people, at least in a single prototype location, we could get
something started.<br>
<br>
Maybe we should get a kickstarter.com project going. I bet lots
of people would be willing to pay lots of funds to get a few seed
/ test old folks homes started, to see if we could make something
like this work? If lots of people were willing to help a bit,
that would sure make things easier / doable.<br>
<br>
Brent Allsop<br>
<br>
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On 11/4/2012 5:33 PM, spike wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
Brent,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What
I have had rattling around in my brain for years, decades
actually since long before we had anything like the
computing horsepower we have today, is an idea for creating
devices which stimulate the minds of nursing home patients.
One of the causes of their degradation is that nursing homes
are so boring. All their life’s challenges are behind them,
they don’t really want to just spend hours talking to all
their new acquaintances. So most of them just sit in silent
misery.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Here
is my request for those who have the intestinal fortitude to
accept it: go to any local nursing home, especially if they
have a wing dedicated to memory care patients in a
lockdown. Ask to see it. They will tour you and in most
cases won’t even ask why you are there. Look at it for
yourself. Do it. Surely some of the same ideas will occur
to you as I have had: we could rig up some kind of tech
related to those games the kids have which can take input
from you from a head motion or even an eye motion. We could
rig it up somehow with Second Life or one of the others,
make it into a fun game that doesn’t require the patients
study anything. All they need to do is look this way or
that. We could use those Wii controllers, the various
gaming technologies and so on, make it one HELL of a lot
more fun to be old and locked in, for DO LET ME ASSURE YOU
my young friends, right not it sure looks like NO FUN to me,
and furthermore, if we had all this cool stuff, we could
probably keep the patients in their own home longer, and the
savings could be astonishing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
kills me that I we have all this cool technology and we
aren’t using it, or aren’t using it effectively, and we
should be, at least for rich people, because rich people
deserve the very best that money can buy. They help us all
because they pay the up-front costs of developing all this
stuff, provide a market, then the rest of us can buy it more
cheaply WHEN WE NEED IT and we will. Pardon please my
occasional use of all caps, but friends I mean it. We can
do better than this, and we should be. Here we have all
these rocket scientists with nothing to do since the cold
war rather unexpectedly came to an end, all this lofty
engineering skill with no good outlet, yet here we sit with
a perfectly clear desperate need, with a ready-made market,
our OWN PARENTS and grandparents to immediately benefit, and
all this to our benefit too, within a few decades. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What
if we fail? Imagine that I can’t figure out ways to get the
coder jockeys to work on this, and 30 yrs from now that is
ME in one of those evolution-forsaken places with nothing to
do and what is left of a really fun brain just rots away,
and if so I would hafta hate myself for not getting off my
ass back in ’12 when I was 52 and capable of at least
imagining the kinds of things we should be building.
Sheesh, it isn’t even all that difficult. Do we have here,
or anyone here friends with people who know how to hack into
that game system, what’s it called? The one that watches
your motions and uses that as an input. Game hipsters
please? Is that a Sony PlayStation 4? Could anyone here
clue me how to rig that PS4 game console to read head
motions and set that to guide Second Life, or suggest
something else that can use simple right left commands, but
not Duke Nukem or Lara Croft. It hasta work for gentle
church ladies and such. If you accept my challenge, you
will see most of the patients are women, and they have zero
interest in first-person shooters, but they might go for a
Waltons-ized version of Second Life. Is there anything we
can do with speech recognition? Is there already somewhere
a Waltons-ized adventure game?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Toss
me a bone here friends. What do we do next?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">spike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
Brent Allsop [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com">mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Brent Allsop<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> spike<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'ExI chat list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Life @ Playstation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Spike,<br>
<br>
Working on projects for nursing home geezers!? Tell me more
about this project, sounds very fascinating!<br>
I'm also thinking along these lines with Canonizer.com.
When you think about moral wisdom, and how best to live
one's life, who knows better than old geezers? If we could
get all of these retired folks to spend time 'canonizing'
things like the best moral behavior, and so on, amplifying
everyone's moral wisdom, the old retired people could help
us have a concise and quantitative moral reference far
better than what we now have with Wikipedia, (to say nothing
of the primitive biblical morality - so many of us are stuck
in the mud with now) I think. It's such a waste that we
aren't better at learning from all these wise and
experienced people, in assisted living homes and so on, and
us completely ignoring and loosing all they've learned when
they die.<br>
<br>
Imagine being able to select your own experts (via selecting
your preferred canonizing algorithm), and knowing, concisely
and quantitatively, what kind of moral information these
very experienced chosen people all understand. Dang, I so
wish I had some way to learn and benefit, concisely and
quantitatively, from all their experiences.<br>
<br>
Brent Allsop<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/4/2012 9:36 AM, spike wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">On
Behalf Of </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">Brent
Allsop<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Life @ Playstation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:#1F497D">>…</span>Hi Stefano,<br>
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<span style="color:#1F497D">>…</span>Where are you
getting all this from? Especially specifics like "since
1870"?<br>
<br>
<span style="color:#1F497D">>…</span>All I have is
anecdotal evidences, but here's a few things I see that
seem to say otherwise?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3"><span style="color:#1F497D">…</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">Mormon Transhumanism is certainly
growing! ...<o:p></o:p></li>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(!)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">The average life span continues to go
through the roof<span style="color:#1F497D">…</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">I, as a type 1 juvenile diabetic, last
year<span style="color:#1F497D">…</span>So I just in
time dodged that bullet<span style="color:#1F497D">…</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">My son was diagnosed <span
style="color:#1F497D">…</span> didn't exist till last
year<span style="color:#1F497D">…</span><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">Everyone thinks the costs of medical care
are going up <span style="color:#1F497D">…</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Excellent
points Brent. Well said.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo3">We're continuing the working on the
"Consciousness Survey Project" at Canonizer.com - now
with people like Dennett, Chalmers, Hameroff, Lehar, and
so many other contributing world class leaders. <span
style="color:#1F497D">…</span><o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
admire you for staying on this over the years, even if
at times you must have felt like the lone voice crying
out in the wilderness. It encourages me to keep on with
my favorite idea for which I have a hard time generating
funding or mass enthusiasm, the notion of rigging up
virtual realities for old geezers. By this I mean of
course older than I am geezers, the kind that live in
nursing homes and such.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Brent Allsop<br>
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<span style="color:#1F497D">Brent you are gift pal. Best
wishes with those medical sitches for you and your son
man.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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