<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Mike Dougherty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msd001@gmail.com" target="_blank">msd001@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></font><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:36 PM, James Clement <<a href="mailto:clementlawyer@gmail.com">clementlawyer@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> As an Anarcho-Capitalist / Agorist, I concur that it's unreasonable to<br>
> insist that living in a geographical location is automatic consent to the<br>
> governance of that location by a State. A State is a legal fiction we<br>
> substitute for the people who claim power over other people's lives, usually<br>
> at the point of a gun. If these people lose their control over a location,<br>
> including by way of the passive disobedience of residents of that location,<br>
> then the fiction of the State will become far more obvious.<br>
<br>
</font></div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Isn't "the State" as likely to treat you as a criminal for your<br>
disobedience no matter how passive?<br>
</font><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"></div></div></blockquote></div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">The people who represent the legal fiction we refer to as a State may absolutely treat dissenters, however passive, as law-breakers, and attempt to punish them. For example, it's illegal to merely hold up a placard that disparages the President, unless you are located within a designated <a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/how-big-deal-hr-347-criminalizing-protest-bill">"free speech zones,"</a> which is often a barbed-wired area miles from the President's motorcade route.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Keep in mind that those who hold the guns may also, as is frequently seen to be the case around the world, treat as criminals people who do anything which they can write a law against (including obscure tax or regulatory rules, homosexuality, prostitution, drug use, etc.). </font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not an Objectivist, but I like Ayn Rand's dialogue in Atlas Shrugged between Dr. Ferris and Hank Reardon: "<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(24,24,24);line-height:18px">Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”</span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(24,24,24);line-height:18px"> </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);line-height:18px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">― </span><a href="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/432.Ayn_Rand" style="color:rgb(102,102,0);text-decoration:initial;line-height:18px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Ayn Rand</a><span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);line-height:18px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">, </span><i style="color:rgb(24,24,24);line-height:18px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a href="http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/817219" style="color:rgb(102,102,0);text-decoration:initial">Atlas Shrugged</a></i> </font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">James</font></div>