<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span></span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">On 2012-12-02, at 1:00 PM, <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat-request@lists.extropy.org</a> wrote:</span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>you demand that bureaucrats</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>have to control individual securities trades rather than letting</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>market participants make their own decisions.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">As a 'native speaker' who has taught English as a second language I would say that:</span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">- 'the demand that (someone) has to control' does portray Adrian's position as an absolute or extreme position</span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">- Adrian has at other places tried to distance himself from this sort of position</span></div><div>- the X 'rather than' Y doesn't mean that if X is an absolute the alternative Y must also be an absolute, but simply shows your preference to a second alternative (and it should not be inferred that this implies that there are only 2 alternatives)</div><div><br></div><div>Eg. I would rather eat the absolute best ever steak than some bug. (Clearly there are more things to eat than bugs and steak.)<br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:47:56 -0800</span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); ">From: Adrian Tymes <<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="link" x-apple-data-detectors-result="45">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span>I see nothing there that disproves the notion that you were presenting</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span>a contrast between two absolutes, and thus implicitly denying the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><span>possibility of anything between.</span><br></blockquote><br></div></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">As a person who can read I would say:</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">- Rafał said in some clarification response somewhere (sorry for not taking the time to dig that out) that his position isn't for some sort of theoretical absolute freedom, but generally for 'more' freedom</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">As a person who has studied logic I would say:</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><b>yourlogicalfallacyis</b>.com/black-or-white (Website not responding, which is a shame because I love sending people there.)</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I hope that site comes up again soon, it is a simple reference that is worth reviewing from time to time.</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regards,</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Omar Rahman</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div></div></div></body></html>