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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>>…</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anders Sandberg<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] mazlow's heirarchy of needs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>In Maslow's defence, I think you would prefer the net to go down in your house rather than the sewage system<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>On the contrary sir. I would honestly prefer to dig a hole in the back yard, bang together a rudimentary shelter and make do without running water than go without running information. Do let us ponder how things have changed, so quickly. As recently as ten years ago, I would have thought such a notion insane. But now I would rather do without sewer than internet. Astonishing! I never would have thought some technology would come along that would make television irrelevant, but it did. In all this traumatic five days, I had to keep reminding AT&T that I don’t get TV, don’t want it, haven’t had it for five years now and never missed it. I didn’t even care about the phone, but I missed that internet, and it was a hellish five days without it. There is an important lesson in here. What if *<b>everybody’s</b>* internet went down simultaneously? Oh we would be so screwed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span> But it is amazing how fast we have adapted to a world where information is accessible. It is also integrated in many parts of our life: the food, shelter, social stuff are all partially linked to it<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It sure is! Our world will not work right without internet. This suggests we need to think more about emergency procedures if it goes down, for whatever reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 06/12/2012 01:06, spike wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>>>…</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Isn’t is astonishing that a mere 20 yrs ago, we didn’t really even have the internet. What the heck did we do? Go around not knowing stuff?<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>I think that is about right</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>…</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Cheers for a globalized, networked and non-not-knowing-stuff world!</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'> </span>-- Anders Sandberg<span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>A couple weeks ago we had a discussion here on why aerospace don’t use up-to-date processors. It occurred to me that medical instruments don’t use the latest stuff either, for the same reasons: in any application where someone’s life is hanging on a microprocessor, the overall performance is nearly irrelevant, but reliability is everything. So the manufacturer is better off using an old, tried and true processors with lots of reliability data, rather than the latest hotrod.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>By extension, we need to think long and hard about how the internet has gradually become or is in the process of becoming a feature of modern society on which many lives hang, or will soon. If the net went down everywhere, I honestly feel we could have hundreds of deaths indirectly resulting, within days. Example left as an exercise for the reader. I can think of a bunch of manufacturing processes that wouldn’t work because it depends so heavily on just-in-time delivery of components. I don’t know how grocery stores would do their orders; we no longer have the proper infrastructure to do snail-mail based inventory or restocking. All paper-based mail inventory systems are an order of magnitude too slow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The internet going down is more catastrophic than the apocalypse. If Jesus were to return, whooping ass and so forth, we could google on some sort of strategy for how to deal. But if that internet goes down, we are profoundly screwed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hmmmm.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>