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<div> Is the answer then not to use 75% or more less? <br>
W<font size="2">e</font> have huge <font size="2">inefficiencies</font> in <font size="2">the generation and distribution system</font> cou<font size="2">pled with the </font>consumerism production waste of energy. A<font size="2"> late 1800's</font> <font size="2">V</font>ictorian water turbine was recently refurbished here in th<font size="2">e</font> UK and only needed a guide vane replaced. A <font size="2">simple flat piece of me<font size="2">tal curved at one end. <font size="2">Previously it had a couple of fixing b<font size="2">olts</font> replaced in the 1970's</font></font></font> at the cost of a few £'s. Look at that kind of bullet proof built to last tech<font size="2">nology which has <font size="2">harnessed</font> millions of KW<font size="2"> <font size="2">i</font>n energy</font></font> and compare to a modern <font size="2">squirrel</font> cage <font size="2">wind turbine</font> that needs electricity to run <font size="2">along with constant <font size="2">maintenance and a short life expectancy</font>.</font> <br>
<font size="2">There is a lot of savings that could be made<font size="2"> using existing and old school technology. Even old school production vs modern material scrimping<font size="2"> as <font size="2">the</font> above water turbine <font size="2">proves</font>.</font></font></font> We often believe tha<font size="2">t minimising materials</font>, lighter, smaller etc is better<font size="2"> and greener. All things considered it <font size="2">usually isn't.</font></font><br>
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<font size="2"><font size="2">P</font>ersonally I have just installed a woodburning stove and have slapped a couple of TEG modules on the side<font size="2">. It is running a<font size="2"><font size="2"> couple of cree</font> LED's to light the room. <font size="2">T</font>his is via a joule thief <font size="2">circuit</font> which improves efficiency. </font></font></font>A perfect example of how reducing energy consumption (via pmw light production vs constant light) an<font size="2">d using </font>old and new tech combined can meet the need<font size="2"> without resorting to </font>fanciful solutions which cost <font size="2">a fortune. And its carbo<font size="2">n <font size="2">neutral</font>.</font></font> Surely this kind of <font size="2">decentralized</font> solution is far better t<font size="2">han providing me with energy<font size="2"> sourced from some new s<font size="2">olar <font size="2">satellite</font>. J<font size="2">ust so I can continue to lig<font size="2">ht and heat my room </font><font size="2">inefficient</font>ly<font size="2">?</font></font></font></font></font><br>
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<font size="2"><font size="2">Just to add. My home is<font size="2"> actually older than that V<font size="2">ictorian turbine. It bleeds heat <font size="2">yet I am legally not allowed to what is needed to insulate due to planning regulations<font size="2"> (facep<font size="2">alm!). </font></font></font></font></font></font></font>O<font size="2">n</font>e one hand we are being <font size="2">forcibly</font> taxed in order to make us go green, yet we are also <font size="2">being prevented from doing so by the very same people. </font>Ludicrous! In fact I have broken several laws by installing t<font size="2">he woodburner myself and t<font size="2">he addition of <font size="2">the</font> TEG's which are <font size="2">unproved<font size="2"> under <font size="2">existing </font>electrical building regs. </font></font></font></font><br>
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<font size="2">optimistic? As a species far<font size="2"> from it.</font></font> From a personal view, <font size="2">yes.</font><br>
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From: Ben Zaiboc <bbenzai@yahoo.com><br>
To: extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br>
Sent: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:13<br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] Energy Defeatism<br>
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</tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">></font><tt>So here's a more optimistic headline:
</tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">></font><tt>"Wind, solar has no chance of providing even 25% of our energy needs, so we'd
</tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">></font><tt>better get off our fat arses and do something about it!"
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</tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">></font><tt>Ben Zaiboc
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