<font color='black' size='2' face='arial'><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2">re: roquefort </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>Not at<font size="2"> all. </font><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"> If you are eating roquefort only for its energy value then yes, stop eating it. </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>There is always <font size="2">merit in some uneconomic activity<font size="2"> whether that is <font size="2">calculated in <font size="2">money</font></font> or energy.<br>
<font size="2">The point is to change the majority emphasis from <font size="2">f<font size="2">ocus on <font size="2">tr<font size="2">icks for </font>collecting and generating more worthless paper to a focus on efficiency and <font size="2">innovation</font>.<br>
<font size="2">The chain you mention and <font size="2">more so</font> in my example where the tanker is resold again and ag<font size="2">ain<font size="2">; </font></font>is designed to maximise profit at every point. Profit in terms of cash. If the <font size="2">energy efficiency=profit then maximising<font size="2"> it automatically makes it pointless to have long chains. Producer to supplier becomes most profitable to everyone<font size="2">.</font> The point <font size="2">being It makes middlemen uneconomic.</font></font></font></font><br>
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</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font size="2"><font color="black" face="arial" size="2">Ther<font size="2">e is nothing to actually stop me being <font size="2">inefficient and</font> <font size="2">I could have m<font size="2">any reasons to do it. </font></font></font></font>To someone that needs a specific type of fuel, extracting it at <font size="2">an uneconomic energy cost may sti<font size="2">ll be worth it<font size="2"> if he really needs to run something.<br>
<font size="2"><font size="2">Also</font>, <font size="2">today w</font>hy should I take time cutting wood for the stove when I can use cheap gas to heat the house?</font></font></font></font></font></font> </font></font></font>S<font size="2">o</font>metimes the uneconomic activity is worth the freedom<font size="2">,</font> <font size="2">independence and <font size="2"><font size="2">resilience</font> <font size="2">that a private source gives</font></font></font>. <br>
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From: Rafal Smigrodzki <rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com><br>
To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org><br>
Sent: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 10:50<br>
Subject: Re: [ExI] repercieve the economy [was: Engineering]<br>
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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 9:34 AM, <<a href="mailto:ablainey@aol.com">ablainey@aol.com</a>> wrote:
Take an undefined & inefficient
> collection method where a physical energy source is put in a tanker ready
> for market. The eroei can be less than parity yet you still have a salable
> product which someone will buy. That product can change hands many times
> each adding a markup and taking their cut. By the time it gets to the end
> user the total eroei for the whole system can outweigh the energy contained
> in the tanker. Yet people are still buying and others getting rich. A
> nonsense situation. Entropy in action.
### So you say adding a "markup" as oil goes from 1000 ft underground,
to a wellhead, then to terminal, then to tanker, then to refinery,
then to tank truck, then to gas station, is all nonsense? Just a
cynical ploy to exploit the brainless masses and get rich?
And why should EROEI be the key factor in deciding which economic
activity is nonsense and which one is not? Eating Roquefort releases a
tiny fraction of the energy invested in its production - does it mean
I should stop eating it?
Rafal
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