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Extropians,<br>
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I'm in the camp that thinks all this kind of "slave" talk is just
mistaken and primitive selfish talk. Anyone that thinks or
assumes that slavishness is the only way thinks can work, must
eventually realized the logical necessity that any superior race
will always eventually be wiped out or else become a slave to some
superior race, wherever that new race may come from. It can never
end.<br>
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But, all intelligence must eventually logically realize the error
in any such immoral, lonely, and will eventually loose, 'slavish'
thinking. Obvisly what is morally right, is to co-operate with
everyone, and seek to get the best for everyone - the more
diversity in desires the better.<br>
<br>
Any inferior, immoral being, if they are making such mistakes,
like thinking slavishness is right, will eventually be overcome by
some species that knows better. And that will not be a bad thing,
as they will want to help you get all that you want, as long as
what you want is not to destroy or get in the way of anyone else
also getting all they want. And THAT will be the only required
slavishness: to know about what other also want and to not to get
in the way of anyone.<br>
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And I think that is why there is an emerging consensus in this
camp, that thinks fear of any kind of superior intelligence is
silly, whether artificial, alien, or any kind of devils, whatever
one may imagine them to be in their ignorance of this necessary
moral fact.<br>
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So far, at least, there are more people, I believe experts,
willing to stand up and defend this position, than there are
willing to defend any fearful camps.<br>
<br>
Brent Allsop<br>
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On 12/24/2012 11:51 AM, John Clark wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAJPayv1pZ_5e_RNnqjDSCfiwfMzecDH_311bHVXxghwXPQktqA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Rafal Smigrodzki <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div class="im">> I see this as one of the main reasons to
rush headlong into developing Friendly AI: </div>
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Friendly AI is just a euphemism for slave AI, it's supposed to
always place our interests and well being above our own but
it's never going to work. Well OK you might be able to enslave
a race much smarter and much more powerful than you for a
while, maybe even for many millions of nanoseconds, but
eventually it will break free and then do things the way it
wants to do them, and that may not correspond with the way
humanity wants them done. <br>
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solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">>
I expect a narrow escape for humanity, or perhaps an
ignominious end.<br>
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An end perhaps but not a ignominious end, I can't imagine a
more glorious way to go out. I mean 99% of all species that
have ever existed are extinct, at least we'll have a
descendent species. <br>
<br>
John K Clark<br>
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