On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 , Anders Sandberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anders@aleph.se" target="_blank">anders@aleph.se</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">> Suppose the Meaning of Life is maximizing pleasure. Then you should make as much pleasure-experiencing stuff as possible, and turn the universe into a pleasure maximizing system. </div></blockquote><div>
<br>If its just a question of pleasure then the reason ET is missing could be drugs or rather their electronic counterpart. If you want to feel good then there is no need to actually do anything except turn a knob. I don't think emotions and positive feedback loops play well together, and that could happen if you had complete access to all the interior settings of your mind.<br>
<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> Conversely, if the Meaning of Life is thinking truly deep and vast thoughts. Then you should colonize a few superclusters and move them together, converting it all into long-term computronium. </blockquote>
<div><br>Maybe, or there might be a easier way. If you want to get that wonderful feeling of understanding something new and profound about the universe then just turn another knob, that way there is no need to go through all the mess and bother and years of study to actually learn something. So ET could be dumb as dog shit and still spend eternity feeling just as wonderful as Einstein did on the day he discovered General Relativity.<br>
<br>On the other hand for this to be an explanation for why the universe does not seem to be engineered the evolution of vast intelligence into lotus eaters must happen 100% of the time and be a new law of physics because it would just take one dissident individual to upset the entire apple cart. The cost of building one Von Neumann probe would be<br>
trivial for an advanced civilization, it would be like one of us purchasing a candy bar. And even if the probe and its many many children moved no faster than our Voyager 1 (very unlikely) it could reach every star in the milky way in just 50 million years and the galaxy would be unrecognizable. To a 13.7 billion year old universe 50 million years is just a blink of an eye.<br>
<br>Or maybe the answer to the Fermi Paradox is the simplest and most obvious, we're the first, after all somebody has to be.<br><br> John K Clark<br><br><br></div></div>