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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>>…</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anders Sandberg<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] insanity plea<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Stefano, how does the insanity plea work in the continental law tradition?<br><br>On 24/02/2013 15:35, spike wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ja. If we presume to set up a number of different varieties of crazy, I can see a hundred ways this whole notion could go seriously wrong. In the US, gun ownership and voting are considered constitutional rights for those who have not been convicted of a felony. In introducing a new category of those whose gun rights are to be infringed, it seems logical to me that if anyone is too crazy to have a gun, then they are definitely too crazy to vote. </span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span> And I think one can make a good case that some people who have mental disorders yet should have the right to vote (should we prevent depressed or anorexics from voting?)-- Anders Sandberg,<o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>How about irrationally exuberant anorexics? If depression is a mental illness, and the opposite is elation, then elation is negative mental illness, which would cancel the anorexia, and I should break even at least.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This whole thread really isn’t about guns, but rather about some of the implications of restricting gun ownership based on anything other than an arrest record, such as mental health. I hope to point out how dangerous is the whole concept.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span> Criminals are assumed to know right from wrong but choose to do wrong;…<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is too easy to imagine voting rights being forbidden from all those who know who is the right candidate but chose to vote for the other one. Preventing the mentally ill from voting creates a new collection of problems, for it assumes an objective means of determining who is too crazy to vote.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Unrelated: Anders I went up to Stanford yesterday to Cubberly Hall at 1000, but it wasn’t a transhumanist event. Rather it was a string quartet. The 1000 event was titled Hayden Makes You Smarter, a combination concert and lecture on Hayden. This was quite good and well worth the ride up there. The event which looked like a transhumanist gathering, on bioethics, was at 1300 in Cubberly. Was that the event that Natasha and your friend was presenting? Or did I have the wrong date, time or place?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>