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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stefano Vaj<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] insanity plea<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 25 February 2013 03:18, Anders Sandberg <<a href="mailto:anders@aleph.se" target="_blank">anders@aleph.se</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>>…</span>OK, maybe I am terribly European here, but that argument sounds pretty crazy to me. How many people regard their ability to buy guns more important than seeking treatment if they can?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>I suspect several paranoids would. But, hey, they can seek a black-market solution for either, ending up with eating their cake and having it to. :-)<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>-- <br>Stefano Vaj <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Many points in one sentence, Stefano, thanks. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Black market for guns: of course, it is already that way. Passing more laws regarding gun ownership is mostly useless because criminals are the ones we don’t want in possession of guns, but criminals don’t follow laws. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding black market for health, an anonymous psychology clinic is not black market, because they aren’t dispensing medications. I see no problem here: we should have anonymous psychology clinics. The idea is so obvious, it must exist somewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding paranoids, what that is all about is that the US has this absurdly outsized military establishment with aaallll thoooose guns and aaallll those drones with missiles aboard and aaalll the nukes; it is a ferocious force indeed. It is controlled by the authority found in the constitution. As soon as a US government starts to do anything that looks like it might be rattling the cage that defines its legal boundaries, then yes, it represents danger to the US and the entire planet in the form of a vast powerful military that could get loose, going forth under its own will, destroying anything in its path. What we have now is a government proposing to take away citizens’ constitutional rights based on mental health, in addition to criminal activity. But I see nothing in the constitution that would allow that. Ja, the yanks are watching that with a microscope. We risk ending up in a situation where the mentally ill lose their constitutional rights, and mental illness is defined as anyone who questions the government’s actions based on constitutionality, and that awesome force of the US military is out of control.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>