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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>></span>><span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span> Some important voices here gave me a lot of grief (I was even called a "troll") <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Not me. I gave you a lot of grief but I never called you a troll.<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>John K Clark <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>{8^D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gordon, you are among friends here. Many of us here disagree with your notion that consciousness can never be simmed on a digital computer, but even with that, you are among impressive company with that notion. Penrose makes the same case in The Emperor’s New Mind. I disagreed with that book when it came out over 20 yrs ago, and still do: I don’t think he ever reeled in that fish. In any case, don’t go away; even if someone calls you a troll, you are among friends here. Make your case, drive it home. If you have a good reason to think consciousness can never exist in a digital or even analog computer, do state it and let us focus on the concept, not the man. Present equations if you have them. Emperor’s New Mind is devoid of equations, and even the philosophical concepts I found unconvincing. I am a big Penrose fan, but I think Emperor was a fumble. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gordon, you are living inside an analog computing device that is both intelligent and conscious. That is an odd position from which to argue that this phenomenon is impossible. If you claim that a digital sim of an analog computing device is impossible, we are listening and we want evidence, equations if possible. This is an important argument, for if you are right, then cryonics is pointless as all hell. But I still don’t see it. Do try again sir, an no calling GTS a troll please.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>