<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Gordon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gts_2000@yahoo.com" target="_blank">gts_2000@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div class="im"><div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13px">Kelly Anderson <<a href="mailto:kellycoinguy@gmail.com" target="_blank">kellycoinguy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br>
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<span><font face="Arial">> </font></span><span style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt">More to the point, how can you prove that human beings have intentionality?</span><br>
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<br>Strictly speaking, I cannot prove that you have intentionality, but you can prove it to yourself. Do you see the question mark at the end this sentence, and do you know that you see it? If so, you have it.</div></div>
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<div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">So what other things in the world have it? I think probably all mammals do, based mainly on their biological similarities to humans. Perhaps some less complex organisms also have it, but I'm quite sure that no organism lacking a fairly well-developed nervous system has it.</span></div>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>What about a plant growing it's roots around a rock? Seems pretty intentional when you speed it up a bunch.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12pt">Does my computer have it? No, I seriously doubt that my computer is anything more than a blind, </span>unconscious<span style="font-size:12pt"> machine. It might act intelligently but it has no idea of its own existence, or of my existence, or of the existence of the things that I make it calculate about. What if I upgraded it? What if I had the most powerful processor imaginable, an infinite amount of ram, and so on? No, I don't think I could ever make my digital computer actually know what it is doing in the sense that you and I do.</span></div>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>You are confusing hardware with software. Your brain doesn't actually experience consciousness or intelligence or intentionality on a hardware basis, those things are experienced as software states. Can you say definitively therefore that you can't run software that has the state of consciousness? I don't feel comfortable with that assumption since my brain is just a different kind of computer running a different sort of software. It's all architectural differences. </div>
<div style><br></div><div style>If I say that the Parthenon has ineffable state A, but no other building does, then does the copy of the Parthenon Nashville have ineffable state A too?</div><div style> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12pt">Someday a digital computer might pass the Turing test, and we will have created weak AI. But strong (conscious, intentional) AI is a completely different challenge. We might someday
create strong AI in the sense that I mean, but I don't believe it will happen on digital software/hardware platforms. It will involve biology. </span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div style>I really don't see the difference Gordon. But perhaps it is just a matter of opinion. You are not a troll for thinking this way, but I do think you are wrong. :-)</div><div style><br></div><div style>-Kelly</div>
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