<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> wrote:</span></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="y_msg_container">>Simple qualia like ability to tell light from darkness<br>>are reproducible by single-cell organisms (Euglena)<br>>or trivial robots with a photocell and a few transistors.<br><br>>If you scrub the word clean from overweening
philosophical<br>>crud it's very simple.</div><div class="y_msg_container"><br>Euglena are remarkable in that they seem to know lightness from darkness. But do they really experience qualia? I think not. </div><div class="y_msg_container"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div class="y_msg_container"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I think real consciousness is about knowing what one knows. I know about the period at the end of this sentence, and I also know that I know about it. How does that happen? How do I not only see it, but also know that I see it? I think there is something going on here besides ordinary chemical reactions *as we currently understand them*. There is something happening in the biology/chemistry/physics of the brain that we do not yet understand. I think we need to understand it before we can talk meaningfully about such things as strong AI and uploading.</span><br></div><div
class="y_msg_container"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container">Gordon<br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>