<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Stathis Papaioannou <stathisp@gmail.com> wrote:</span><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">></font></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">> If the brain were really like a digital computer then sure, we could create</span><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><div
style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">>> brains on digital computers. We could even make them out of pecking pigeons.<br>>> Anything comparable to on/off switches would work.<br><br>> And the atoms which give rise to real minds do not follow syntactic<br>> rules?</div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container"><font size="3">We want to think they do, but we are assigning that to the physics. Computational states are not actually discovered within the </font>physics of the brain.<font size="3"> We assign them to the physics.</font></div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size:
12pt;"><br></span></div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> All of physics is about syntactic rules. </span></div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">So we want to think. </div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">> S</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">o is chemistry,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">biology and neuroscience. Are they all wrong? </span></div><div
class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Not wrong, just incomplete. </span></div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div class="y_msg_container" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">Gordon</div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>