<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Anders Sandberg <anders@aleph.se> wrote:</span><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0051007182"><div><pre class="yiv0051007182moz-signature" style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><div style="font-size: 12pt; white-space: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;">On 04/05/2013 03:34, Gordon wrote</span><br></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; white-space: normal; background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; white-space: normal; background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">>>The basic problem as I see it, and as Anders pointed out and with which I agree, is that consciousness does not translate through the levels.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div><div class="yui_3_7_2_26_1367651372803_58" style="white-space: normal;"><div class="yui_3_7_2_26_1367651372803_62"><div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0051007182"><div style="font-size: 16px;"><br><font size="3">> Just to clarify: I am sceptical about whether consciousness translates between levels, but I am also a functionalist who thinks you can get consciousness in simulations. </font><span style="font-size: 16px;">So it would be real but
private consciousness.</span></div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><br><font size="3">I think I understand your point of view, Anders, but maybe not. The difference between you and me might be that I stand here with my feet firmly planted in what I consider to be a non-simulated world. I don't see how I could regard digitally simulated </font>consciousness as anything more than simulated. </div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><font size="3">I consider it a great leap of faith, religious in nature, to say that digitally simulated consciousness is somehow real but private.</font></div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><font size="3"> >> <span style="font-size: 12pt;">If you believe the world itself is intrinsically digital, (and not merely describable in digital terms), then I think you have good reason to
believe in strong AI and uploading. </span><br></font><br><font size="3">> I think this is a good point. </font></div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><font size="3"><br></font></div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><font size="3">I'm glad you think so, good sir.</font></div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><br></div><div>Gordon</div></div></div></div></div></pre></div></div></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>