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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>…</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Whatever happened to peak oil by 2020?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>>…</span> use the<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>power to convert coal or biomass to liquids and synthesize ammonium<br>nitrate, rather than send the power to the cities by cable.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Or simply synthesize gasoline. It's a form that gets used (a lot), and<br>less conversions = less energy lost to conversion<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ja, we know how to do it, it has been done for over 100 years (coal to octane), it takes advantage of the existing octane burning infrastructure. Of all the schemes I have seen for carrying energy around, nothing matches good old octane and Diesel (mostly C12H26.) So if we propose alternatives, we need to think of the energy needed to convert the world’s existing transportation and food-production infrastructure, which is enormous. So at least for the short run (next 20 yrs) the whole GB solar, wind and nuke powered coal and biomass to octane conversion looks compelling. I like space based solar and hope we get that, but I am thinking what we do in the increasingly likely event that doesn’t work out for us. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Wiki claims wind power has an EROEI of about 18, which is quite good. It cohabitates nicely with ground based solar and nuclear, so it uses the same ground twice in a sense. Wind power has the problems of being ugly, noisy, intermittent and it slays birds. If we put the turbines way out and away to heck and gone, then use the power where it is generated for coal to octane and coal to Diesel conversion, we solve three of the four big problems with wind power. The fourth, well, bye bye birdie, sorry. I really like birds. But we aren’t going to let our civilization starve for the feathery bastards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>