<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> wrote:</span><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><font face="Arial" size="2">> </font></span><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">I don't know what a conscious experience is</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-family:
'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;">I don't know how to respond when people say such things, except to say that barring any kind of after-life, consciousness is that thing that goes away when you die.</span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new
roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-color: transparent;">> Do you think a mechanical simulation of a tourbillon watch can't tell time?</span><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div class="y_msg_container">> Of course it does.</div><div class="y_msg_container"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container">Telling (indicating) the time and knowing the time are, I think, different things. A compass indicates which way is north, but I doubt that it actually knows which way is north. My compass is only an instrument. Instruments like watches and compasses help us know things, but they do not themselves know anything.</div><div class="y_msg_container"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container">In any event, it is late here and time for bed. Until tomorrow, friend.</div><div
class="y_msg_container"><br></div><div class="y_msg_container">Gordon</div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>