<div dir="ltr"><div><div>> It's a collaborative effort, not a fight.<br><br></div>That depends. May be both. You have some constrains inside which you have to operate, to avoid an unnecessary conflict. <br><br></div>
OTOH, you have to do, what you have to do. If something evil is on the horizon, you ought to fight it.<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Eugen Leitl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org" target="_blank">eugen@leitl.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 08:54:04AM +0200, Tomaz Kristan wrote:<br>
> > What if another civ has already done this?<br>
><br>
> Then you are lucky. Others have done the job, otherwise you should.<br>
<br>
</div>This doesn't compute, if you want to maximize computation before<br>
universe winds itself down. So you'd go for a hard relativistic<br>
expansion as early as possible, in order to get hold of as<br>
much spacetime as possible before inflation makes most of it<br>
inaccessible. You'd then maximize the computation utilization<br>
in order to render as many experience-moments as possible, until<br>
the final curtain.<br>
<br>
Aiming for anything less guarantees a half-assed job.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Still, if their try is not good enough, you have to overwrite their probes<br>
> front. As best as you can.<br>
<br>
</div>In case of omega-grade substrate there is no difference between<br>
the expansion front, regardless of the point of origin.<br>
It's a collaborative effort, not a fight. After conversion,<br>
there's slow, random diffusion across volume, with sufficient<br>
spatial diversity variation that the point if origin is also<br>
irrelevant. So no extra incentive to fight, either, just regular<br>
Darwin in motion.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> But proceed as nobody has done anything of that kind yet. Do it right and<br>
> fast.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Andrew Mckee <<a href="mailto:andymck35@gmail.com">andymck35@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > On Wed, 15 May 2013 02:44:51 +1200, BillK <<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com">pharos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > He mentions one thing I hadn't heard before. - Sandberg probes (from<br>
> >> you know who).<br>
> >> The suggestion here is that when a civ gets to the stage that it can<br>
> >> create self-replicating probes to go out and spam the universe,<br>
> >> another thought occurs..... What if another civ has already done this?<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > David Brin's novel - 'Existence' kinda takes this idea and runs with it,<br>
> > definitely worth a read IMO.<br>
> ><br>
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