<div dir="ltr">I don't think, Mr. Grimes, a Jurassic Park you are proposing is very likely. <div><br></div><div style>I don't think, the concept of the museum under the sky is that good. Nobody would want to live there.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Alan Grimes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ALONZOTG@verizon.net" target="_blank">ALONZOTG@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Yes, Alex has some problems understanding some transhumanist concepts however, I think his recent coverage (in the past few weeks) of Kurzweil's ideas to be dead on accurate. =(<br>
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Why am I the ONLY person who always gets upset when people spew garbage about how the entire universe will be converted to computronium, by human intention, and that everyone will be uploaded by means of destructive scanning, and, especially, that there is something *GOOD* about that future...<br>
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I mean, why can't we have a discussion about how what criteria we will use to determine which limited parts of the universe will be used for computronium and which we will use for other purposes?<br>
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Why can't we have a discussion about how to preserve humanoid life as an available choice?<br>
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I've spent the last few months trolling for information about what good things will happen to an upload, once it is duly scanned and simulated. I have not gotten a good answer yet.<br>
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What I found is that most of the websites of the people I know to be hard-core uploaders have been, um, *sanitized*. If you read their rantings, they are still absolutely in favor of every available nucleon being re-purposed for "simulation", whatever the hell that word means... (What the hell kind of "simulation" actually substitutes for reality instead of being a crude model of it??) -- I'm looking at you, Anissimov!<br>
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Actually, my only real find came last week when I came across:<br>
<a href="http://enthea.org/writing/reality-3-0-hypermediation-paradise-engineering/" target="_blank">http://enthea.org/writing/<u></u>reality-3-0-hypermediation-<u></u>paradise-engineering/</a><br>
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Now how should I respond to this?<br>
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"Oh it's only fiction, just an idea..." ???<br>
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"How nice..." ????<br>
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Or, should I say:<br>
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"OMFG!!! Jeff Lutty actually intends to release the Nats, I've gotta stop him!!!"<br>
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Even H+ magazine recently spewed out<br>
<a href="http://hplusmagazine.com/2013/06/17/clearing-up-misconceptions-about-mind-uploading/" target="_blank">http://hplusmagazine.com/2013/<u></u>06/17/clearing-up-<u></u>misconceptions-about-mind-<u></u>uploading/</a><br>
where the alleged facts were hardly distinguishable from the alleged misconceptions. Furthermore an entirely implausible argument was made about how easy it will be to "modify" an upload. A moment's thought will see that any low level emulation of a mind will be extremely difficult to modify by virtue of it's extreme complexity. Furthermore, the types of modifications possible will be tightly constrained by the limitations of the software running the simulation, where in the physical world they are effectively unbounded.<br>
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What part of that vision is supposed to be appealing anyway? Lets say that everything this Paul Hughes character said was plausible, even where it's logically contradictory. (ie, if the normal state of being is a heavily medicated -- er, I mean mediated, self-delusion, then how is that compatible with the existence of a simulated star-wars universe where the beings would have to be forced to accept their provided perceptions as the one true reality in order for them to be at all interested with the problem the simulation provides them. Why would you want to sit there and watch all the natural wonders of the universe being obliterated by the expansion front? That would be a nightmare in itself!<br>
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Here's another good question. Transhumanism seems to have degenerated into discussing two things Uploading (not what life will be like after being uploaded, but the process of uploading itself and only that) and living long enough to be uploaded (cryonics, life extension etc...) Why can't we talk about how awesome it will be to be a nano-cyborg and what we need to do to push that type of technology forward? =\<br>
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Alex Jones is simply trying to invite more people to discuss this stuff because it really is important.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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Natasha Vita-More wrote:<br>
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Hi everyone!<br>
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Have you read the recent writings by Alex Jones and his transhumanism-bashing? If so, would you like to be a voice of reason on his ridiculous articles? (And another one which is far-fetched).<br>
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<a href="http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/maddow-right-wing-mainstreaming-alex-jones-" target="_blank">http://crooksandliars.com/<u></u>karoli/maddow-right-wing-<u></u>mainstreaming-alex-jones-</a> (Rachel Maddow suggests Alex Jones is gaining momentum).<br>
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<a href="http://www.infowars.com/new-matt-damon-movie-reveals-mankinds-transhumanist-destiny/" target="_blank">http://www.infowars.com/new-<u></u>matt-damon-movie-reveals-<u></u>mankinds-transhumanist-<u></u>destiny/</a> (Alex Jones’ site).<br>
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<a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/040859_Skynet_quantum_computing_D-Wave_Systems.html" target="_blank">http://www.naturalnews.com/<u></u>040859_Skynet_quantum_<u></u>computing_D-Wave_Systems.html</a> (by Mike Adams which like reading National Enquirer).<br>
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