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      Hi Carl and Gordon,<br>
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      Hmm.  I completely agree with all this - that "currencies are
      representations of value", and that they "only grow in relation to
      the underlying productivity of their economies".  But that is the
      point.  If the underlying economy is growing exponentually,
      similare to Moore's Law, then since Bitcions are limited in
      quantity, they must comparatively grow in value to adequately
      handle the usage growth in demand in any exponentially growing
      economy?<br>
      <br>
      Gordon said he "has difficulty believing there is a Moore's Law
      for Bitcoins".  So where is the disconnect, if the underlying
      economy, and demand, in the long term is growing exponentially?<br>
      <br>
      As you can see in this historical graph of Bitcoin valuation
      growth: <a href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/154/2">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/154/2</a>. 
      It has so far followed more of a Moore's law than almost anything
      else.  So how much more of this kind of Moore's Law Growth will be
      required before you'll jump camps and admit that there is a
      Moore's Law like growth in value of Bitcoins?  In other words,
      what kind of evidence will falsify your beliefs?  Obviously, if
      there is a deviation in this so far very linear (on a logarithmic
      graph) growth pattern, this will falsify my predictions.  So,
      again, if you think there will be a deviation from this kind of
      very linear growth, what do you think this deviation would most
      likely be?  More growth?  Less growth?  Any random growth that is 
      just not Moore's Law like linear growth which we've seen so far? 
      What, exactly, are you saying/predicting, and where do we
      disagree, if we indeed do disagree?<br>
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      Brent Allsop<br>
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      On 7/4/2013 2:18 AM, Carl Youngblood wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I agree with Gordon. Currencies are representations
        of value, not actual resources. Markets are ways of exchanging
        value, and they only grow in relation to the underlying
        productivity of their economies.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Brent
          Allsop <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                Hi Gordon,<br>
                <br>
                Interesting that you have such a different POV.<br>
                <br>
                So then given your best guess, what would you say is the
                most likely value of Bitcion one year from now.  More or
                less than the predicted 100% increase?  I figure we
                should be in very much agreement on this, even if we do
                disagree on the "Moore's law"ness of such predictions? 
                Why is it that everyone misses and ignores the important
                things people agree on, yet focus on much less important
                disagreements?<br>
                <br>
                I also have troubles understanding how you can say that
                "currency and commodity markets don't work that way".<br>
                <br>
                It seems to me, the value of Gold is exactly the result
                of two "moores laws" playing against each other.  Number
                one, the deemand, which is increasing exponentually,
                paralelling the growth of humanity and the economy.  And
                second, the growth of Gold supply has been more or less
                growing exponentially, for all history, especially when
                the price gets high like it has been.  There is an old
                popular adage that an ounce of Gold has always been
                equal to the value of a good Man's suit.  The only
                reason this has been true, for centuries, is because of
                these two mores law like behaviors have been so closely
                matched.  You'll probably point out that an ounce of
                Gold can, today, pay for many men's suits.  And I"ll
                just fire back that the price is way ahead of itself,
                and precisely why it is dramatically crashing in value,
                and will continue, likely tell it get's back to the
                price of a man's suit.  And of course, now, Gold has a
                Big competitor, so my prediction is that it could even
                drop further, because of this.<br>
                <br>
                I will agree with you that fiat currency, controlled by
                any central resurve, does not behave according to any
                Moore's law, precisely because the central authority
                intervenes to keep a fairly constant inflation.  But I
                don't see how you can think that Bitcion, and it's
                restricted supply nature, isn't any different than any
                such fiat currency!?<br>
                <br>
                It seems to me, you're just focusing on the short term
                'commodity' prices and such.   I completely agree with
                you that there is no "moore's law" with any of that. 
                But I don't care about any of that, and nobody can
                predict any of that.  What I like to get a hold of, are
                the long term exponential trends and laws that will
                always, in the long run, drastically overwhelm all such
                temporary roller coaster noise.<br>
                <br>
                Brent<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On 6/23/2013 11:04 PM, Gordon wrote:<br>
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                      Allsop <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <div><span style="font-size:12pt">> The new version
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                      <div>> predicting future values of Bitcion just
                        went live.  <br>
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                        > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/154/2"
                          target="_blank">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/154/2</a><br>
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                        >It's predicting a continued Moore's Law like
                        100% / year growth...<br>
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                        I have difficulty believing there is anything
                        like a Moore's Law for Bitcoin. Currency and
                        commodity markets don't work that way, and I
                        don't see why Bitcoin should be different. <br>
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                        Gordon</div>
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