<p dir="ltr">On Jul 10, 2013 10:42 AM, "Anders Sandberg" <<a href="mailto:anders@aleph.se">anders@aleph.se</a>> wrote:<br>
> So I suspect it is uphill for most crypto-communities even when people see their point. But it is not a guaranteed failure, and having a few alternatives around is useful and might even force market leaders to be honest to some extent (consider how linux as an alternative affected Apple and Microsoft).</p>
<p dir="ltr">A fair point, but note that Linux - and Unix in general - had seen significant use despite the Macintosh and Windows OSes before, e.g., Apple came up with the Unix-based OS X. More importantly, note that the very existence of Linux was not hidden. Even a crypto-community can be advertised.</p>
<p dir="ltr">A good example might be the 4chan Anonymous community: in the public consciousness to some degree, accomplishing at least minimal change, and not archived except for bits they want to archive. Most members are, well, anonymous and shielded even from FBI warrants by a deliberate lack of tracking. (At most, the admins could give out possibly-spoofed IP addresses.)</p>