<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Eugen Leitl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org" target="_blank">eugen@leitl.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 04:55:56PM +0100, BillK wrote:<br>
> I think a few more comments on the Retroshare platform might be useful.<br>
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The death of the open Internet has been prophesied several<br>
times, but now it is really happening. Now is the time<br>
to start the migration awy from the centralized, open channels<br>
into enduser-run darknet.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Where, without advertising to draw new members (at least so<br>much as being googlable), communities die a slow, stagnant<br>death. I've seen it happen multiple times.<br>
</div><div><br>Meanwhile, the communities who continue to exist in the open,<br></div><div>despite the increased costs, may continue to get new members.<br></div><div>(Some of them at very low rates, granted.)<br></div><div>
<br></div><div>Unfortunately, it is extremely difficult to convince people of this<br>until they run into it, and struggle with it for years. Of course,<br>those who insist on such moves also tend to insist that the<br>world is as they believe it to be, regardless of the evidence.<br>
This is not useful in finding ways to improve the world that are<br>more effective than wishing hard.<br></div><div><br>Further, in most cases the transition drives away enough<br>members (who were marginally participating in the first place)<br>
that the community undergoes a phase change, losing any<br>effectiveness it had. The counter to this is being someone who<br>could assemble the community in the first place - but I'm not<br>sure even Mr. More would care to rebuild the Extropians from<br>
scratch, given the changes the world has undergone.<br><br></div><div>TL,DR: the open Internet is still alive, and prophesies which<br></div><div>keep proving false won't change that. No matter how much of<br></div><div>
an emotionally releasing disasterbationist fantasy they would<br>be if true, hard data - not anecdotes and fear-based worries<br>about possible futures - is what matters.<br></div></div></div></div>