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Yes, exactly Anders!<br>
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That is why I am always asking everyone what it would take to
convert you to my, or the other camp, and I work on considering
the same for myself. That is always the focus of canonizer.com -
testability in this way. I'm always encouraging all camps to
explicitly state what it would take to convert them to another
camp, along with their rationality for why they can't currently
accept the other camp. Everyone knowing and being educated about
this for all competing camps, is also a good strategy that helps,
significantly, when trying to find and build as much consensus as
possible, on critically important moral and existential risk
things, ore more importantly knowing exactly what is required to
most efficiently and creatively get everyone all that they really
want.<br>
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Much of what I hear Gordon and James saying is untestable
meaningless negative noise, which I've explained over and over
about why I can't accept - arguments like: There has never been
a sure thing investment in the past, so there will never be a sure
investment - all hogwash that I can't accept, for the reason's
I've stated. They always try to weasel out and never answer my
questions about what it would take to convert them, or what their
predictions are, if they are any different than the emerging
evidence for the 'law' like expert consensus here:<br>
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<a href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/154/2">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/154/2</a><br>
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Brent<br>
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On 8/8/2013 8:47 PM, Anders Sandberg wrote:<br>
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<p class=""><span>We are obviously spending LOTS of time and
effort on this conversation.<span> </span>Do you find it
worth while?<span> </span>It feels to me like at best
this infinite yes / no /' yes / no, forever conversation
is just a complete bleating noise waste of time.<span> </span></span></p>
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I just listened to a talk about argumentation games, and it seems
relevant. It even included an infinite linear argument game where
argument 1 disputes argument 0, argument 2 dispites 1, and so on.
This game is never ending and indeterminate: there is no winner
nor any conclusion. However, if we want to end the discussion (or
rather, make it more productive), what about this:<br>
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"What is the simplest piece of evidence that, if you got it, would
change your mind about your current position?"<br>
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If there isn't any, then you are likely crazy or lack imagination.
If there is one, maybe it is worth checking if it exists. <br>
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Dr Anders Sandberg
Future of Humanity Institute
Oxford Martin School
Oxford University
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