<div dir="ltr">Spike,<div>The intersection of where you choose to put your mind is consciousness. Your digital intrigue with value, and the very sun light moving particles of dust on the breeze which finds its way up your nose, are all consciousness.</div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px">"... Consciousness is the way data feels like when it is being processed. (I think) Consciousness is fundamental." ~ John K Clark</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px">The Gaia, as a construction, functions to keep the consensual habits in place ... Doing Shit Jobs and worrying about Gaia. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px">John Gregg turned out to be the light at the goal posts....</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px">Consciousness is so simple.... The time I spent with Bob Thruman, as a student, in Washington NJ Tibetan Buddhist Center, discussing which part of the table is the leg pays off! I do not feel very comfortable writing to this group because I do not have academic writing skills... Please don't nail me to the wall.</span></font></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.1953125px">Robert Thurman is the </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Je_Tsongkhapa" title="Je Tsongkhapa" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.1953125px">Je Tsongkhapa</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.1953125px"> Professor of </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India" title="India" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.1953125px">Indo-</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet" title="Tibet" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.1953125px">Tibetan</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.1953125px"> Buddhist Studies at </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University" title="Columbia University" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.1953125px">Columbia University</a><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.1875px">. He still wags his finger at me to complete my assigned project.</span></font><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 11:14 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal">>> > …What do you think causes consciousness? (Hint: the entire universe is conscious)<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ilsa<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 24, 2013 10:29 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] God's God<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p><span style="color:#1f497d">>…</span>Good for you Will. And thank you. Some years ago I hinted at this and was dropped kicked through the goal posts. <br>
</p><div class="im">Will, there is habitual resistance too.<br>Smile, Ilsa<u></u><u></u></div><p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ilsa, you make it sound like a bad thing. Being kicked through the goal posts is a goal.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The way I would go with it is to ask the question, are you conscious? If you answer yes, is it you that is conscious, or just your brain? If you answer only your brain is conscious, and the rest of it is supporting machinery, is it your whole brain, or just your frontal lobes that are conscious? Then you see where I am going, for I will next ask: which synapses and which dendrites are the conscious ones? All of those always? How many of the conscious ones does it take to be conscious? And so on.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So you can say, my smarter synapses are collectively conscious, my frontal lobes are conscious, my brain, my self, my family, my species are all conscious, and the progression goes right on out to some undefined boundary, because other species besides humans are clearly conscious, and they have supporting machinery too, such as a life-friendly planet. In that sense, the planet is conscious, and if there exists consciousness elsewhere in the galaxy, is that galaxy conscious? What about the space in between? Is that as conscious as the space between my smarter synapses in my frontal lobes? What about the space between two conscious galaxies? The space within superclusters and the space between two superclusters?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It all goes back to the most fundamental question: are we conscious?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Goal?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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