<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Eugen Leitl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org" target="_blank">eugen@leitl.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Since there’s nothing that can be done about climate change, because there’s<br>
no scalable alternative to fossil fuels</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Starting the article with a claim, and repeating it constantly throughout the article, doesn't make it true.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But there was no mention of Energy Returned on Energy Invested<br>
(EROEI) or the scale of how many windmills you’d need to have. So you could<br>
be left with the impression that these problems with wind could be overcome.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>According to the study Wikipedia cites, wind's EROEI is 18 - a net positive. Sure, you couldn't solve all the world's energy problems with just wind power; solving them is going to require a combination of solutions, so arguing against each component in turn because it can't do 100% is the opposite of helpful.<br>
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The best possible solution is de-industrialization, starting with Heinberg’s<br>
50 million farmers, while also limiting immigration, instituting high taxes<br>
and other disincentives to encourage people to not have more than one child<br>
so we can get under the maximum carrying capacity as soon as possible.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So is this a world problem or a US problem? "Limiting immigration" doesn't affect the world so much, but "carrying capacity" only makes sense in the context of the entire world (because food can be imported, on a sustainable basis, to any given nation).<br>
</div><div> </div>That drivel has no place on a transhumanist list, other than to see the nature of the ignorance and attitudes we're still fighting against.<br></div></div></div>