<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 Eugen Leitl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugen@leitl.org" target="_blank">eugen@leitl.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
> In order to begin solving a problem you must first realize that you have a problem.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, and looking at the figures for natural gas production in the USA it sure doesn't look like running out of fossil fuels is going to be much of a problem in the immediate future:<br>
<br><a href="http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9070us2m.htm">http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n9070us2m.htm</a> <br><br></div><div>The huge expansion of domestic oil and gas production in the USA has created about 1.2 million jobs and increase disposable income by almost $2000 per household per year. And new technology, that is to say fracking, has INCREASED the usable gas reserves by 58% over what it was in 1997! Of course environmentalists are very unhappy about all this, but then they never saw a large scale power source they didn't hate. <br>
<br></div><div>And by the way, in the current New Scientist magazine it says that there is twice as much energy in methane hydrate than all the world's oil and coal and natural gas and oil shale and tar sands combined. It also calls this unused resource the cleanest fossil fuel in the world.<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">> The Nile is not just a river in Egypt.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>
</div><div>Speaking of the Nile, Ethiopia is building a new dam on the Nile, it is expected to be completed by 2017 and will produce 6000 Megawatts of greenhouse gas free energy that the environmentalists say they are so worried about. The Aswan High Dam has been producing 2100 Megawatts since 1970 and just a few days ago Uganda anounced they were going to build a 600 Megawatt damn. Of course environmentalists are very unhappy about all this, but then
they never saw a large scale power source they didn't hate. <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> alternative energy sources (too little, too late) don't produce hydrocarbon gases <br>
</blockquote><div><br>Alternative energy also tends not to produce usable amounts of energy either, and often for the same reason. Very very small demonstration projects are OK but as soon as anybody tries to ramp it up to usable levels environmentalists put a stop to it; solar cells take up too much land, geothermal causes earthquakes, wind turbines are noisy, disrupt wind patterns and kill birds. And I know from first hand experience that the mere mention of the word "nuclear" causes some to explode in mindless apoplectic rage. <br>
<br>Environmentalists would have no problem with attaching one generator to one hummingbird, but if anybody wanted to actually make a real dent in the problem and found a way to connect 10^15 hummingbirds to a huge turbine environmentalists would scream bloody murder and organize protest demonstrations in the streets. <br>
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<div class="im">> The point is that we've missed the boat, and we're in for a world of hurt.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And what a poor morality play it will be if that turns out to be untrue. The unholy must be punished for their <span class="">profligate</span> lifestyle, like people in China insisting on 3 meals a day and indoor plumbing. <br>
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> Billions of people can barely afford their next meal. Quadruple the food prices. What happens?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What happens when food gets expensive? People starve. And what causes food to become expensive? Self righteous environmentalists, who claim to have taken the high ground on all moral issues, diverting resources away from food production and toward bio fuels. <br>
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<div class="im">> You're not solving the problem. You're being a part of the problem.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>Eugen, another part of solving a problem is making sure the cure isn't worse than the disease. Even if the current temperature of the earth is the perfect temperature to maximize human happiness, would reducing the increase by a fraction of a degree be worth millions dying from energy starvation?<br>
<br></div><div> John K Clark <br></div><div> </div><div> <br></div></div></div></div>