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Why is it that people are so willing to put so much time, effort
and pain on possibly critically important things like this, when
there are better ways to go about this and get something done.
Sure, there could be some existential threat out there, but if
there is is this the best way to go about it?<br>
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Sure, there may be lots of people that through much rational
effort, determine that something like 'peak oil', 'global
warming', or whatever is critically morally important to
everyone. But there are also other rational camps out there into
which people have also put much effort. Camps just infinitely
stating their beliefs in half baked non rigorous ways like this,
descending into this kind of rhetoric, just hurts everyone, and
makes it impossible to even talk about such potentially very
important to all moral things.<br>
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Might I propose a far better way than wasting so much effort on
this, forcing each camp to hate the other, making it impossible to
communicate in this way?<br>
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We also once had terrible talks like this, and completely failed
to communicate about 'qualia'. Does anyone remember those great
days? How many times did one camp accuse another camp of being
'hittler', or worse, a 'religious fanatic'....? But of course,
those days where everyone wasted so much time and effort, making
comunication ever more impossible, are long gone, since everyone
just 'canonized' their views: <br>
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<a href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88</a><br>
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Now people no longer need to ask questons like "why to "political
and economic leaders deny Peak Oil", or why do scientists always
deny there are spiritual qualities or 'qualia'. Everyone can
finally respect everyone again, value diversity, and better
understand the other point of view, without thinking they are
Hitler, Anti Christ, or the destroyer of the world. And
everyone's understanding of the real issues and all leading
consensus camps, has been amplified, hugely!! We are making real
progress, not just making everyone hate each other.<br>
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If there really is an expert consensus around something like 'peak
oil', then start building an expert consensus on just that, and
stating, in a unified voice, exactly why you, and all the experts
(hopefully experts that the other camp trusts) agree. And do it
in a forum where all who disagree with you can also state,
concisely and quantitatively, why they can't accept that 'peak
oil' is a problem. Are you interested, at all, in that? Good
luck truly communicating to those that need to understand, if
you're not.<br>
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Then, maybe we can really communicate, and hopefully thereby
avoid the end of the world. I know canonizer.com is a bit hard to
understand, and takes a bit of work - but it certainly takes far
less time, effort, and pain that is always put into complete waste
of time, making it ever harder to communicate, infinite yes no yes
not discussions like this. Or maybe help make Canonizer.com a bit
easier to use, no one person can do it all alone.<br>
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Just canonizer your view, and from then on all you need to do is
kindly say: "I'm in that expert consensus camp - is there an
equally expert consensus camp emerging around what you believe".
And there by really communicate, and maybe really save the world,
with no fuss, no muss.<br>
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Upwards,<br>
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Brent Allsop<br>
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On 9/7/2013 1:37 PM, Adrian Tymes wrote:<br>
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> Actually, there's no boat; you're just telling people
to drown. Like John<br>
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Actually, you're literally Hitler. You gassed the Jews.
Personally.<br>
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<div>Huh. I've never before seen such a clear application
of Godwin's Law. <br>
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