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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Rahman<br><b><span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span></b></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br></span>...<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Green energy will be expensive, it will not be green, but we will employ it<br>anyway, because we will gradually run out of alternatives, and yes we need<br>energy, lots of it.<br><br>spike</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>The oil industry began on land where the oil was literally seeping out of the ground and ever since then the EROEI has been going up. If we factor in the costs of the wars to maintain control of various oil patches the cost of oil is really quite high.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>I've written more but I'll try to match Spike's bravery: regardless of where you are on the political spectrum, can you find anything in my previous sentences which you would dispute?<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>Omar<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Actually, perhaps you intended to say EROEI has been going down steadily, but we know what you meant.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding Keith’s notion of SBSP, that would be great if we can make it happen. The Chinese might do it. We have demonstrated control of lasers to shoot down drones:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/09/video-new-navy-laser-can-shoot-down-drones-is-headed-for-the-persian-gulf/">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/04/09/video-new-navy-laser-can-shoot-down-drones-is-headed-for-the-persian-gulf/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Note that the laser was aboard a ship, so it had to deal with the control problem of holding the laser on a target with more precision than required for laser propulsion, and simultaneously deal with a rolling ship. The power is not a show stopper, since we can replicate a laser like the one in the video arbitrarily many times. So we have the control algorithms and the power. The question to me is whether mankind will go ahead and do it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Getting the power to the ground is a problem, but we know how to do it. Again the question is: Will we? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is a good possibility we will not start on it until it is too late.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>