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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>>…Behalf Of </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>Anders Sandberg<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] roboburgers to go<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't know if this has already mentioned in this thread, but my colleagues Carl Frey and Mike Osborne has done a pretty intriguing study of what jobs are at risk from AI:<br><a href="http://theconversation.com/machines-on-the-march-threaten-almost-half-of-modern-jobs-18485">http://theconversation.com/machines-on-the-march-threaten-almost-half-of-modern-jobs-18485</a><br><a href="http://www.futuretech.ox.ac.uk/future-employment-how-susceptible-are-jobs-computerisation-oms-working-paper-dr-carl-benedikt-frey-m">http://www.futuretech.ox.ac.uk/future-employment-how-susceptible-are-jobs-computerisation-oms-working-paper-dr-carl-benedikt-frey-m</a><br>They have a list at the end. Don't aim at the high probability occupations for a career. <span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks Anders. I have seen this coming for at least 20 years. In 1993, I was working with a couple of senior aerodynamics guys at Lockheed, hoping to steer my career that way. The three of us were writing a study on the flight path of aero-shrouds for THAAD missile, using closed form equations. We hired a couple of young guys to set up a NASTRAN model, which they did, starting after we started and finishing before we finished. Together they cost the company less than I did alone, since they were contractors. They got better answers, with more actual information than we equation-jockeys were providing, tighter tolerances, fun graphics, everything, and they knew nothing about air, nothing about all the cool science in shock wave mechanics, nothing. They didn’t have engineering degrees, they didn’t study science or calculus, they didn’t understand or care why the shrouds flew the way they did. But after they ran a million sims they knew how the shrouds flew, better than we did, we being the math guys with all the brains.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>After that project I decided against becoming an aero-guru. Good choice; the aero group is nearly disbanded now, twenty five guys down to six today.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>There are many jobs that we almost have a moral duty to eliminate.<o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Dr Anders Sandberg<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I couldn’t have said it better Anders. But we are eliminating good jobs along with the lousy ones. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I struggle to find things to teach my own seven yr old son, since I want him to learn relevant skills. All around me I see things that can easily be automated, and once they are, there is just no point in learning the theory behind the software, any more than we really need to understand shock wave mechanics of a tumbling aero-shroud or how to extract square roots by hand (I STILL know how to do that fun but useless skill.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I am open to suggestion from anyone here on teaching my mathematically talented 7 yr old. He is performing actual algebra and geometry in the second grade, no fooling. His entire top row on his Khan Academy board is dark blue, 134 skills mastered and nearly a hundred more level 1s and 2s. I have him doing Blender and Excel macros. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Question please, what does a father teach a son today, assuming access to the collective wisdom of years represented by this group?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Anders, Kelly, Eugen, Keith, anyone else especially fathers, what do we do now, coach?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></body></html>