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Hi Mike,<br>
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Nagal was one of the first to ask this all important question with
his "what is it like to be a bat?" question You seem very
confused at exactly what his question was about. You seem to
think he answered this question???<br>
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He was pointing out that we are blind to qualities of nature, he
was asking the same question I'm asking. But asking it for
echolocation, vs light detection, completely confuses everyone
about what is qualitatively important. Much better to simply
focus on things like my elemental redness quality could be your
greenness quality.<br>
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Think about it for a bit. When I see the strawberry, something in
my brain, which has my redness quality to it, is what my brain
represents this knowledge of the strawberry with. Tetrachromats
represent what they see with 4 colors, and at least some of the
light they see is represented with something my brain has never
experienced before.<br>
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It could be a neurotransmitter like glutamate, that has the
redness quality I experience. But of course, glutamate reflects
white light, so if your brain represents glutamate with something
that has a white quality to it (very different than glutamate),
you are missing what is all important. That is the essence of the
qualia interpretation problem, and why we are effing blind to any
qualitative properties in any one else's brain, a bat's brain, or
of anything in nature.<br>
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There is also a good chance that many of us have inverted quale,
and so on. Do you have any interested in knowing if your redness
is anything like mine?<br>
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This kind of blind confusion is exactly why the world is
completely missing what we should have discovered long ago. This
is not a scientific problem, we're already way past the required
science required. This is simply an effing communication
problem. And achieving the ability to truly effingly communicate
must be the greatest achievement in physics, and tell us more
about reality, than any other discovery.<br>
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Brent Allsop<br>
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On 10/25/2013 12:19 PM, Mike Dougherty wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Brent Allsop <span
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">That's
kind of interesting. But what is it qualitatively like?
Surely cat's don't represent the colors with the same
elemental qualities I do. That's what I want to effing
know.<br>
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Oh, and I want to know what it is like for a tetrachromat
(Most of us are trichromats), who experiences colors I've
never experienced before, also.<br>
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Why is nobody asking that far more important question?
What is reality qualitatively like? Surely the discovery
of what has an elemental redness quality in physics will
be the greatest discovery in physics, ever! If people
weren't so blind to this, surely we'd have discovered this
long before now.<br>
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Everyone, if you are interested in this, please sign the
online petition (join at least the Representational Qualia
Theory camp here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/6"
target="_blank">http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/88/6</a>
) so we can finally communicate to the world how important
this is, and finally figure it out.</blockquote>
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<div>Not sure about a cat, but Nagel's already discussed
what it's like to be a bat - right?</div>
<div>(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-minds/201202/what-is-it-be-bat">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-minds/201202/what-is-it-be-bat</a>)</div>
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<div>Perhaps we aren't so "blind" as confused?</div>
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