<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:38 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kelly Anderson<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>The constitution only protects the privacy of US citizens, and possibly visitors to the USA<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ah EXCELLENT! Finally someone who has found where in the constitution it says anything about US citizens having the inalienable right to privacy. I have been searching for that since I don’t know how long. Kelly, where did you find that?</span></p>
</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ammendment 4 Search and Seizure</div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px">The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.</span> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I agree. Now where in the constitution does it say anything about privacy?</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>4th Ammendment</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">My heartburn with it is not that it is illegal but rather that it would piss off the one who should be our strongest ally. </span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thus the need to NOT GET CAUGHT. Just as the Germans have not YET been caught spying on us. Now with wikileaks out there, the Germans may have smartened up and STOPPED spying on us, but I can assure you that they have in the past, even without specific proof of the same. We KNOW the Chinese spy on us all the time, and the Russians. Why not the Germans? And the Mormons!</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">One day soon we will wake up and discover that China, Japan and Germany are the only three countries in the world capable of loaning money in the kinds of absurd quantities we USians demand of other countries, and I am not so sure about Japan.</span> </p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Japan is off the table for the moment. They went through their little 20 year deflationary period. Very painful that.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>Which is why they shouldn't have gotten caught. Don't we have the obligation to make sure our "friends" are really our friends, even behind closed doors?<br>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">They aren’t really friends Kelly. There are no friends. Only potential bankers.</span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">We see the current bunch are saying the Tea Party patriots are terrorists and coming very close to identifying them as national enemies. OK then what happens if they get a bunch of seats in congress next fall, more than they already have? </span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>History is not with them on gaining seats during the second term of a lame duck president<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The midterms a year from today will be a referendum on ObamaCare. One year from now, very little else will matter. If this thing crashes as hard as I think it will, the Democrat party will lose a bunch of seats, the Republicans will break even or lose a few and the Tea Party will be a force to be with reckoned. If O-care succeeds, just the opposite. Nothing else will matter much.</span> </p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I tend to agree with you. Obama's approval rating just dipped into the 30s for the first time, btw. I'm sure that has nothing to do with healthcare.gov... oh no no...</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>But Obamacare failing is exactly what will lead to a single payer system. It's too big to fail, remember?<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">That isn’t clear to me. It sure appears to be set up for failure, but it isn’t at all clear the next step is single payer. I would go for that if done at a state level, or if we get a national balanced budget amendment to go with it. Or we destroy our credit rating, so no sane party will loan us money.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we lose our liquidity, we are indeed screwed. Even with a Libertarian president, and both houses of congress, we would be screwed if we lost our liquidity. It took us a 100 years to get into this mess, and we can't get out of it over night.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Agreed, so why do you think this current misadventure is a step toward single payer?</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Because they have made sure we can't go back to what we had before. The only way forward, the only way to fix the problem is to make a bigger problem. That's the way the government usually operates, isn't it?</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>I would love to see the youth of America revolt against this. It is them who are getting the biggest shaft from O-care. Paying for insurance that THEY DON'T NEED. It is redistribution of health. Only it is from the poorest youth of America who can't get a job coming out of college, to the richest, the older folk in America, who are the most well off demographic. I thought socialism was supposed to help the poor<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…</span><br>
</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Don’t worry Kelly, the young will revolt bigtime. It will be like the old burn the draft card days, but this one may have some damn serious consequences. That business about setting the IRS to where they can demand payment but not place any criminal sanctions for non-payment nor issue liens against property or bank accounts for non-payment will hurt us. It will send a message to a generation that they do not need to pay their taxes. The whole scheme dilutes the power of the IRS, which could have catastrophic consequences.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The young put Obama into office. They get what they deserve for not paying attention.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>Obama lied, grandma died<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Oooh that’s cold. {8^D</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, they are the ones that made the commercial wheeling grandma over the cliff in a wheelchair. They deserve what they have coming. And I tell you, it is coming.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Mike Lee got an 8 minute long standing ovation here in Utah Saturday. I don't think he's going anywhere soon, despite an attempt to change the system in Utah from a caucus to something that will favor establishment Republicans more. With the words "Mike Lee" coming off of the lips of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity ten times a day as the example of what little is being done right in Washington today, I assure you that he will not lose his seat. So long as he doesn't make child porn, denounce Islam or something incredibly stupid.</div>
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<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My favorite I have thought of so far:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in;text-indent:0.5in">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in;text-indent:0.5in"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Tune In, Turn On, Opt Out</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>LOL. That will work for a few years, until the penalties are so large that you have to pay attention to them<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">No sir. Even if you pay attention to them, the IRS still has no means of collecting the opt-out fees. I notice a lot of the articles on the topic say things like “The ACA didn’t include any provisions for the IRS to enforce collection of the penalties.” This kinda misses the point by understatement: the ACA clearly specifically forbids the IRS from enforcing the penalties. They are free to DEMAND payment, they can even send a bill. They just can’t do anything if the taxpayer just says no. </span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Most people overpay their taxes anyway, so the IRS will just give them a smaller refund. Not really a problem, is it? They aren't giving the money back once they have it and have the right under the law to keep it.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> </span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Next, note that the ACA is designed to be difficult or impossible to modify without nullifying the whole thing. That is why they specifically removed the isolation clauses. They didn’t forget them, they carefully extracted them, so the insurance companies wouldn’t be left holding the bag.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh, you can be sure that the insurance companies will be blamed when the time comes. It's part of the progression towards single payer. The Democrats demonize whoever they need to in order to stay in power, and the insurance companies are part of the "usual suspects" according to the left. If I were the president of an insurance company these days, I'd be looking for a new job. The proles will stay on as government employees.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">The section which explicitly forbids the IRS from collecting the opt-out tax is cross linked to the section on the insurance companies requirement to sell to any zombie who staggers thru the door. If they kill the prohibition for the IRS to collect, they kill the requirement for the insurance company to sell to zombies. If those two things go out, the only thing that is left of O-care is a pile of wood pulp, granted a tall one. That linking of those two things was intentional and carefully designed by those who wrote this bill behind closed doors in Senate private chambers, with one party and a collection of insurance company reps with plenty of campaign donations to hand out freely. Kelly, is this all making sense now?</span> </p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Woah, woah, woah, you think that Obamacare was written behind Senate doors? What are you smoking Spike?</div><div><br></div><div>Max Baucus was the senator that put forth the monstrosity, but he never read it.</div>
<div><a href="http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/max-baucus-author-of-obamacare-admits-he-never-read-his-own-bill/Content?oid=2161708">http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/max-baucus-author-of-obamacare-admits-he-never-read-his-own-bill/Content?oid=2161708</a></div>
<div>I would not that the San Francisco Examiner is hardly a right wing paper.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:18.75px;text-align:justify">“I don’t think you want me to waste my time to read every page of the health care bill. You know why? It’s statutory language,” Baucus said. “We hire experts.”</span><br>
</div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:18.75px;text-align:justify"><br></span></div>Oh, another goodie hidden in Obamacare. I hadn't heard about this one...</div>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:15px">"I’m awaiting a further statement from Baucus’ staff as to whether or not the senator was aware of a provision of the health care law (</span><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/6/864097/-Health-Care-Bill-Section-9006-and-Your-Small-Business" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(40,72,106);text-decoration:none;font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:15px">unpopular even among liberals</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:15px">) which mandates that businesses send out 1099 tax forms to any individual or corporation from which they purchase goods or services worth more than $600."</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:15px;line-height:18.75px;text-align:justify"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:15px"><br></span></div><div>Obamacare was partially written by the Center for American Progress. See this admission on Bill Mayer's show by the President of the CfAP.</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/02/center_for_american_progress_president_shares_part_in_obamacare_i_helped_write_the_bill.html">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/02/center_for_american_progress_president_shares_part_in_obamacare_i_helped_write_the_bill.html</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I've heard they wrote a LOT of the actual text that made it into the bill. Now, if you don't know who the Center for American Progress is, then I encourage you to look into it, as they are behind a LOT of the shenanigans of late.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>I have already failed at selling T-Shirts, remember Caucasians for Mitt Romney?<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">{8^D<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">>…</span>Of course, I haven't learned my lesson, I'm now working on a T-Shirt deal for <a href="http://www.itanimulli.com" target="_blank">http://www.itanimulli.com</a> (Note that is <a href="http://illuminati.com" target="_blank">illuminati.com</a> spelled backwards. You should see what happens when you type that into a web browser<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Haaaaahahahahahhaaaaa! Excellent gag, me lad. The New World Order crowd just keeps falling for the same gag, over and over and over. It seems they just cannot learn. They were falling for that back when I was in high school, they still are. That crowd doesn’t seem to get it: the New World Order isn’t some big secret evil conspiracy; that isn’t necessary. We create the New World Order by borrowing two million dollars per second with no credible means of repaying it, then identify as enemies of the state anyone who points out that this madness is madness.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yup. Exactly. But maybe I'll sell a T-shirt or two this time. We'll see.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I've always liked:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">You can keep the Change, but I want my Hope back.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
-Kelly<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We will not be keeping the change. </span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We will keep Obamacare, sadly. And that is the change we were promised. There will be no free pocket change. Period.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We already saw the 1 November fix date blow by, the HealthCare.gov site isn’t fixed. </span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Duh. Software is hard, even when done right. And this mess wasn't even close to done right. It is the software architecture from hell, driven by a bureaucracy that is constantly changing the rules. I wouldn't sign up to program on this beasty for all the pop tarts in Nicaragua.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We are already seeing what looks to me like pre-emptive apologies for not making the 1 December date with a report I heard just today: the site never even attempted to encrypt any of the information they were collecting. Didn’t even try!</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Lord. And that is one of the easiest parts. Just do the https thing, no big deal. Of course that doesn't matter if they just mail your paperwork to someone else in another state. Duh.</div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> I know it takes more than four weeks to tack on after the fact some kind of encryption that could scale to millions of applicants, considering how complicated that site is and how many leaky contractors are involved. </span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You could not easily encrypt all of the web services, but you could the main web site fairly easily.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">That whole task should never have involved the Fed, it should have been done by the insurance companies. They would each have smaller, more manageable systems in place and would have incentive to keep their own customer’s data private. </span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, well insurance companies aren't exactly known for their stellar software either. Else how could Dentrix charge a dollar per insurance form submitted just to make sure that the insurance company wouldn't reject it. The insurance company should have been able to do that. (Not that Dentrix is exactly the high tech leader, having worked there. They just slog away until it mostly works.)</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">But back to the most interesting claim you made right at first Kelly: where did you find in the constitution anything about US citizens being entitled to privacy? I know the legal system has laws and that “reasonable expectation of privacy” phrase that determines the legality of snooping, but where is it in the constitution?<span class=""><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p>
<span class=""><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p></font></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>4th Amendment. And other places. If you really want to know more about it, try here:</div><div><br>
</div><div><a href="http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html">http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Kelly </div></div></div>
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