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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Dark Matter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>>…</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Highway 50 ha</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>s</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> enormous potential as a showcase location for ground based solar. It’s about 600 km of paved two-lane with a good solid base under it and very little rain, little cloud cover ever out there in that big old desert. What we could do is use all those Chinese PV factories’ output, install ground based PV a km or more either side of the road, collect the power every km or so, use the power to convert low-grade bituminous coal from Wyoming and Utah or biomass from California’s Central Valley to liquid hydrocarbon fuel. Autonomous trucks would haul in water and feedstock, then haul out Diesel oil. Since the trucks are autonomous, we could use smaller trucks to preserve the road, or even do stuff like taking standard tanker trucks and retrofitting the big Diesel engines with smaller ones so that the trucks cruise at 80 kph instead of the usual 110-130, so that alone would nearly double the fuel economy in hauling out synfuel. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Better: pipelines. Since you have a stationary power source, let the water & feedstock flow in and the fuel out. Over flat enough land, angle them so the water & feedstock pipes go down, and the fuel pipe up, about a centimeter for every kilometer horizontally, and you might be able to pool the fuel & have water/feedstock pumped out at existing towns, possibly piped straight to gas stations, greatly decreasing the infrastructure needed<span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think you are onto something there, me lad. We grind the biomass and create a slurry, then send the feedstock and water together in a pipe. I need to work out that economic model. I know how much tanker trucks cost, don’t know much about pipe costs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>