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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 25, 2013 11:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Double-Earth (Was: kepler study says 8.8e9 earthlike planets)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:23 AM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>>>…</span><span style='color:#1F497D'>Perhaps the remarkable thing here is that with all the ice on this planet, there are no known (to me) life forms that use it in its solid phase.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>I can think of one species - homo sapiens - but even then it's mainly used as an external tool (e.g. to build shelters out of, or to remove heat from some part of the body), not evolved biological processes. (Though it is sometimes solid when ingested, internal heat renders it liquid before absorption.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ja, igloos. Humans use snow as a shelter. Polar bears make dens in the snow; good chance there are others.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>>>…</span><span style='color:#1F497D'>One would think there would be a snow eater somewhere</span><span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Would not life in such a region, have enough sunlight that the snow would often be melted? Or if there was not that much sunlight, might it be too little sunlight to sustain life? (Assuming plant life, in areas with year-round snow.)<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mosquitoes use sun cups, which are small water puddles in the snow. The snow falls, the sun forms divots which fill with water, anywhere from an actual cup of water to a few gallons, the mosquitoes bite your ass, go lay eggs in those sun cups by the jillions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We know there is a group of humans which skim fly larvae from the surface of a salt water body such as Mono Lake and devour them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://online.sfsu.edu/bholzman/courses/Fall01%20projects/alkalifly.htm">http://online.sfsu.edu/bholzman/courses/Fall01%20projects/alkalifly.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0000C6'>From the article:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0000C6'>How did the Mono Lake alkali-fly get its name? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0000C6'> <i> </i> <i>Ephydra hydropyrus hians</i> is the full name and was discovered by a scientist named Say in 1830. Say discovered the fly in an area called Mono Basin in California. The area just east of Yosemite was home to Kuzedika or Mono Lake Paiutes. The Paiutes called the pupae “kutsavi,” and during the summer would harvest it and use is as a main source of food. Trade between other tribes in the area become popular and neighboring Yokuts called the Paiutes “Monoche” and their food “mono”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0000C6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0000C6'>The fly-devouring people would be a scraper-gatherer society, ja? So if they can live off of fly larvae, it seems like we could create some kind of machine that would track along in a snow-field with image-recognition, put a tube into the sun cups, suck up the water and mosquito larvae, throw the water away and keep the larvae for fish food if nothing else. I would like the poetic justice of devouring the mosquitoes before they can devour us, but I don’t know that mosquito larvae would catch on as the next hipster thing to devour after the sushi is finished off. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0000C6'>Hey, mosquito-fed sushi might sell.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0000C6'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#0000C6'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>