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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Behalf Of </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Adrian Tymes<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] moral guidance please: was Anders on io9<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:35 PM, spike <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ethic</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>s</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> hipsters, guidance please?</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Don't. Straight-up no. You'd be having laughs - *just* laughs - at the expense - and it is an expense, in stress and hassle if nothing else - of someone with whom you have no prior involvement<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks Adrian. As I recall you were on the strictly puritan end of the spectrum last time something like this came up. Other opinions?</span><br><br><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>There are better ways to get laughs: more enduring (and therefore more quantity in the long run), and less effort at the same time<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Indeed? What are they? I would go for an alternative.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I thought if I played up the whole blue-bloody angle, it might put a fun spin on it while giving sufficient hints that it is a joke. There are plenty of people in this old world who resent the upper crust for no other reason than they are born rich and privileged. I thought it might work out if I put plenty of those kinds of hints in the letter, that if they thought about it they could figure out one of their cousins was pulling a fast one on them just for fun. Prudence? Purity?? Noooobody hangs those tags on their daughters now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Actually I think you are right Adrian, for the following. A few years ago, some guy rigged up Eliza and sent her into a teen chat room. Most of the teens long post-dated Eliza, who came and went before any of them were born, so they came in as unsuspecting naļve victims. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Under the usual assumption of privacy, some of the stuff these teens spilled to that simple-minded program, oh my. They blathered away openly about stuff that couldn’t be pried out of most of us with torture devices; sexual deviancy, drug use, crimes, maniacal commentary, etc. Some of them were hinting at contemplating suicide, all manner of improprieties, eeesh. The guy recorded everything.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK then, here’s this interesting sociological experiment, a Turing test in a way, and this guy has all this data, having recorded all of this vile tripe. If it had been me, I might have described some of the shocking stuff that was posted, and how most of them fell for the Eliza trick, how the average time to figuring out it was a computer program was over 12 minutes, average number of posts 15, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But this yahoo who perpetrated the Eliza gag did something that haunts me to this day: he posted everything. On a website, he left it there for I don’t know how long. Didn’t even hide the identities, he just slammed it all on the table. That I wouldn’t do in a hundred years, not in a thousand. That was evil. I felt guilty even reading part of the material. It was interesting to see some of the comments they made at the end of their sessions as the teens figured out they had been had. But posting all that stuff was wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What would bother me about the ImPurity Prufrock Throckmorton caper is that the identities of the mean bahstids could be more easily deduced by me than could the identity of the DNA-contributing volunteer would be for them. Reasoning: I have a thousand data points, they have only one. I might be able to figure out who wrote what, if I work at it, but they wouldn’t be able to find the ID of the spitter. After they thought it over, they would realize what happened, and would be annoyed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Parting shot on all this: I have contacted about 120 of my DNA relatives and I will have to say it has been mostly a disappointment. My DNA relatives were not nearly as bright as I had imagined them to be; on the contrary. They seemed to be unable to reason thru such things as creating genetic triangulation algorithms, or invent creative ideas on how to deduce identities of their own DNA relatives. All this with one shining exception, one very bright cousin, who was interesting, smart as a whip, well educated, open minded, creative, wise, kind, all the good stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Today, I find in my LinkedIn box a notice about a guy who I might want to link, based on a mutual friend. The person being recommended was that cousin! There was no reference to 23andMe, no mention or knowledge by LinkedIn of that mutual interest in genetics, no reference to or knowledge of our being cousins; only a recommendation based on our mutual friend. So I accepted and invited my own fourth cousin to LinkIn. The mutual friend was…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>…Eugen Leitl.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pretty cool, ja?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>{8-]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>