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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Tymes<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] tech influence<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>On Feb 11, 2014 7:21 PM, "spike" <<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net">spike66@att.net</a>> wrote:<br>><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span> And no need to export billions. One or two young women with a bunch of frozen embryos would work for a start.<o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Except for the "raising the children to be capable of doing much of consequence, and caring at all about repaying those who sent them" bit<span style='color:#1F497D'>…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My concern is the opposite. Plenty of people will be interested in anything a Mars native has to say. All the interesting intellectual content will come from Earth, so my notion is that children growing up on Mars may have an obsessive ambition to come here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>>…</span>Seriously, just sending people to give birth and ignoring everything else that makes up a civilization is sending them to die. Unless you claim everything else can be automated, but by the time that could be done (it's not yet possible in the much more forgiving environment of Earth), there would be no need to give birth either: just program mind children and maybe forge robotic bodies for them<span style='color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ja this scenario only works under the possibility (unknown but not zero) that uploading is either inherently impossible or much more difficult than we have imagined. The second scenario is one I find compelling for all its precedents. An example is in noting the things that were being said about how we would solve all these human diseases and understand so many things when we could read the entire human genome. OK so we did it. Where’s all our superpowers? When do we get those?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What we discovered is another layer of complication, and at least another one implied below that one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That applies to other areas as well. This leads me to think we may not be all that close to uploading, but close to machines capable of carving out a habitat below the surface of Mars, where one-way travelers will attempt to raise and educated children.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Store this post somewhere where you can find it again, take good care of your health, come back and see how we are doing 40 years from now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>