<div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0455702/?ref_=tt_trv_qu" style="color:rgb(112,87,157);text-decoration:none">2nd Portly Gentleman</a>: What may we put you down for, sir?</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001215/?ref_=tt_trv_qu" style="color:rgb(112,87,157);text-decoration:none">Scrooge</a>: Nothing, sir.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0290136/?ref_=tt_trv_qu" style="color:rgb(112,87,157);text-decoration:none">1st Portly Gentleman</a>: Ah, you wish to remain anonymous.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001215/?ref_=tt_trv_qu" style="color:rgb(112,87,157);text-decoration:none">Scrooge</a>: I wish to be left alone, sir! That is what I wish! I don't make myself merry at Christmas and I cannot afford to make idle people merry. I have been forced to support the establishments I have mentioned through taxation and God knows they cost more than they're worth. Those who are badly off must go there.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0455702/?ref_=tt_trv_qu" style="color:rgb(112,87,157);text-decoration:none">2nd Portly Gentleman</a>: Many would rather die than go there.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001215/?ref_=tt_trv_qu" style="color:rgb(112,87,157);text-decoration:none">Scrooge</a>: If they'd rather die, then they had better do it and decrease the surplus population. Good night, gentlemen.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">[<span class="">walks away, then turns back</span>]</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001215/?ref_=tt_trv_qu" style="color:rgb(112,87,157);text-decoration:none">Scrooge</a>: Humbug!</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Maybe Scrooge had a point... ;-)</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 0.3em;line-height:18.200000762939453px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">-Kelly</p></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:27 AM, BillK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pharos@gmail.com" target="_blank">pharos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM, spike wrote:<br>
> BillK, it is done that way now: section 8 housing. It does postpone the<br>
> problem.<br>
><br>
> The solution as described in the link is one that has failed spectacularly<br>
> in places like Detroit Michigan: the housing projects get too dangerous.<br>
> You can go to some parts of Detroit today and have any house you want:<br>
> plenty of them are abandoned. But the area itself is too dangerous for<br>
> human habitation.<br>
><br>
> There are no mindbogglingly simple solutions to homelessness. There are<br>
> some simple failed solutions however, and I predict they will be used again.<br>
><br>
><br>
<br>
</div>After searching, there seem to be a lot of Housing Projects going on.<br>
Some failing, some reasonably successful.<br>
<br>
The Moore Place project has differences. It is single person<br>
accomodation for people who have been homeless for over a year (and<br>
usually have medical or disability problems). And it is Supportive<br>
Housing with on-site medical and social worker staff to help the<br>
residents. The residents are not left to fend for themselves, Because<br>
it is for single people, at a stroke that gets rid of all the family<br>
problems like domestic violence or child abuse. And the resident staff<br>
provide a protective environment.<br>
<br>
This seems to be rather different to handing out rent vouchers for<br>
people to give to cheap slum landlords in deprived, crime-ridden<br>
areas.<br>
<br>
Supportive Housing is more expensive, but the external cost savings<br>
pay for it, by reduced Medicare bills, police & jail costs, etc.).<br>
<br>
The full report is here:<br>
<<a href="http://shnny.org/images/uploads/Charlotte-Moore-Place-Study.pdf" target="_blank">http://shnny.org/images/uploads/Charlotte-Moore-Place-Study.pdf</a>><br>
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<br>
BillK<br>
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