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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Basic Income - Basic Housing?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>For anyone: just when did it change? By definition, a person seriously mentally ill is not able to partake in any legal anything. His opinion does not matter. In my day you could get someone involuntarily committed with a judge and a psychiatrist. I even saw one guy admitted because he refused surgery on his appendix (got admitted, got the surgery - died). bill w<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It hasn’t changed entirely. A person can still be committed against their will even if they haven’t actually committed a crime. If a person is showing signs of Alzheimer’s for instance, we know that it is intermittent for a long time. We know that AD patients can have a bad day and do terribly destructive things with their own finances for instance. So when can the family decide this person is no longer competent to handle their own money? What if the AD patient has an excellent head for business and made all the actual money, but the rest of the family is uniformly incompetent? At what point can that family step in, place the patient in a facility from which they are now incarcerated, and just take over the fortune?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Put yourself into this situation. Imagine you have money and you recognize your own ability to manage it is declining. It is still your money. Imagine you have one child, married to someone you don’t trust entirely perhaps, or your one offspring has known addictions. Create your own scenario. At what point do you lose legal authority over your own fortune, and at what point do you lose your freedom, all because you are growing forgetful? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is a legal gray area to this day. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Someone offer moral guidance please.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>