<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:28 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">>>I think the Bible is as clear as it is morally corrupt on this subject. Consider Revelation 20:10<br>
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."<br></blockquote> <br>
>Ja, that’s the devil, the beast and the false prophet, not the humans. <br></blockquote> <br>Who is the false prophet? I don't know of any profit in the Bible, false or otherwise, that isn't a human. But it doesn't really matter, Lucifer is a sentient being and torturing him for eternity means God is astronomically, no INFINITELY more evil than the devil. Lucifer as depicted in the Bible may have had his faults but he never did anything nearly as wicked as that; I have even more faults but even I wouldn't torture anybody forever, not even a unrepentant Hitler. <br>
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Or this quotation from Jesus in Matthew 25:41:<br>"Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."<br></blockquote></blockquote><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<br></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Ja. Angels are not humans. The devil is superhuman.<br></blockquote><br>Yes God may have originally created hell for the devil and his angels
but it clearly has lots of extra room for additional residents. And it's
not meaningful to say the people won't be alive when they're burning, this is judgment day and
everybody is already dead. <br><br>When the Jews got off the trains Dr. Mengele a divided them into 2
groups, those on his right went to Nazi slave labor camps and those on his
left when immediately to the gas chambers, and in the above Jesus is
talking about something similar although far far more
evil, judgment day. Those on God's right get into heaven but as for those on God's
left, well let me give the entire quote: "Then He will say to those on
his left hand "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal
fire prepared for the devil and his angels""<br> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
>> Or Mark 9:43<br>"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched"<br></blockquote>
<br>> Ja. It sounds to me like going into hell is specifically differentiated and contrasted from the opposite, which is to enter into life.<br>Bicep2<br></blockquote><br>If the fires of hell killed you immediately, though you're dead before you even enter it (yeah I know, but this is religion and its not supposed to make any sense) then who cares if the fires of hell ever go out? Why would it even be worth mentioning?<br>
<br>> The whole notion was popular as hell.<br> <br>Indeed.<br> <br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">>When we claim Christianity is morally bankrupt because it carries the notion of a god who tortures unbelievers eternally, we inadvertently promote those segments of Christianity which specifically deny this feature of mainstream Christianity,<br>
</blockquote> <br>That's OK, I think we should give the devil his due. The very core of Christianity is inherently illogical but Christian franchises that don't think their hero (God) would approve of torturing someone for eternity are morally superior to other franchises that think that the ultimate moral paragon would judge it to be a good idea to burn un-baptized children for a infinite number of years.<br>
<br> John K Clark<br> <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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