<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Why aren't you guys worried about chemicals? We are walking around with over 50 chemicals in our bodies that weren't there when we were born.<br>
<br>Our rivers, creeks, air, oceans are polluted. They are adding things to our food, our drinking cups, our everything, that hasn't been tested for effects on people. You read every day about some chemical (never mind the stories about drug recalls, generics not up to snuff, lawyers hoping you got sick from testosterone supplements) that some company agreed to take out of their product - or not.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">How in the world will the geneticists, particularly the medical ones, figure out what he holy hell is going on with our diseases. What effects do these chemicals we are eating, breathing, etc. have on our genes and our health? 50+ chemicals potentially changing us epigenetically. What a mess.<br>
<br>bill w<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:11 AM, John Clark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Adrian Tymes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><br>> The solar panels on my roof don't seem very illusory. <br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">But solar panels on the roof of my car are illusory</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Did I mention solar panels on a car? Cars need higher density fuels than straight solar power, it is true. Once synthetic oil can be made cheaply enough - or electric cars are both similarly-priced as normal cars and have enough range (the Tesla series have enough range for most people, but they're a bit pricey; even with the "but you're not buying gas" factor, that's still shifting costs up front) - then the fuel can be collected and made from home solar, or renewables feeding through the grid.<br>
<br>Either of these are possible, but they will take much work to achieve. Disasterbationists would have us give up on this work because it's not already complete.<br></div><div class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">> Neither do the large wind farms in the hills not too far from here.<br><div><br>
</div><div>Today there are no purely economic reasons to build wind farms, there are however tax and public relation reasons for doing so.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>All power plants, even coal, have government subsidies of some sort - usually on the fuel, but with wind and solar it's not really possible to subsidize the fuel so they subsidize the plants instead. Then people get confused because other types don't have plant subsidies.<br>
</div><div class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">To environmentalists alternate energy solutions are just fine as long as they remain strictly on paper, just don't try to build anything on a large enough scale to actually accomplish anything.<br>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Those types of environmentalists - increasingly revealed to be astroturf by various competing energy interests - are starting to lose power. But only starting to.<br>
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<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>
<div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>> Generally, any article that's yelling and screaming about how the world is collapsing and there's nothing we can do about it, isn't worth reading.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I agree 100%.<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div></div></div>Glad to hear it. :)<br></div></div>
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