<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">I can't speak for SF, but I think it will get a lot worse. I read a book on dust and found out that most of what China puts in the air comes east. When they get through putting in umpteen coal power plants they will affect us all.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(11,83,148)">Re our clean living: I will be much surprised if our obesity epidemic isn't related to chemicals in something: air, food, water, etc. Ditto rises in autism and other conditions. I know that sounds sort of paranoid/conspiracy -ish, but consider: in the south Pacific, schizophrenia occurs on the coast towns, but not inland where the natives live lives untouched by modern things. Interesting? One theory is that schizo. is a virus, which would explain that difference, but another is exposure to modern chemicals.<br>
<br>bill w<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Tomaz Kristan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:protokol2020@gmail.com" target="_blank">protokol2020@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>spike:<div class=""><br><br>> <span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"> If trips take half again longer than they once did<br>
<br></span></div></div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Time is much more precious than oil.<br>
</span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 12:45 AM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 17, 2014 10:12 AM</span></p><div><br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] How the world collapses<u></u><u></u></div><p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Adrian Tymes <<a href="mailto:atymes@gmail.com" target="_blank">atymes@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<br>><span style="color:#1f497d">>…</span> The solar panels on my roof don't seem very illusory. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#1f497d">>…</span>But solar panels on the roof of my car are illusory because my car has 306 horsepower, one horsepower is equal to 746 watts so my car needs 228,276 watts. On a bright day at noon solar cells produce about 10 watts per square foot, so my car would need 22,827 square feet of solar cells, that's not counting the additional air resistance caused by the 151x151 foot square mounted on the car's roof and the "WIDE LOAD" banner I'd have to place on the back.. And I still couldn't get to work at night or on cloudy days<span style="color:#1f497d">. </span>John K Clark <span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Ja, your car can produce 306 peak horsepower, but its average usage is less than a tenth of that typically, and you can cut that in half if you allow half again more time to make the trip. If trips take half again longer than they once did, we start thinking of ways to not go, or to combine trips, saving even more.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I have the notion that we will tear around like our asses are on fire so long as it is cheap to do it. Then after it isn’t cheap anymore, we will stop. Then we will have a whole new pile of problems. Now we waste because we can.<span><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p>
<span><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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