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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] puzzle - animal consciousness<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>Well, Hell! What is sequence but the order in which the trained dogs run an obstacle course? Perhaps the owners are shouting commands</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Ja, the trainer goes thru and gives both auditory and visual cues. My notion is that dogs can do sequences, but not as effectively as humans. I don’t really know of demonstrations of a dog’s ability to do a sequence of tasks, but I know rats do: they are trained to run mazes. It would be interesting to see a dog vs a rat in learning similar but scaled mazes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'> But the dogs aren't stopping at each one to wait for directions</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Part of the criteria for judging is in how seamless the dog transitions from one task to the next.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'> I'll have to bet that 'no dogs can sequence' is very wrong</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Agreed, as stated is wrong. So how good can dogs get at sequencing? Can you get a dog to do a task every third day, for instance? Or two tasks on alternate days? Or train a dog to hit a lever every hour on a chime, a red lever then two blue levers, in that repeating pattern?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>>…</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'> Dogs are smarter than rats and lab rats can learn very complicated sequences of tasks</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cool, have you examples please?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>