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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>William, please be careful about making sweeping statements. Certainly you have your own experiences and views, but generalizations and assumptions about others can backfire. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.natasha.cc/"><span style='color:windowtext'>Natasha Vita-More, PhD</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:4.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Professor, University of Advancing Technology<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Chair, Humanity+<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Fellow, Institute for Ethics & Emerging Technologies<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>New Book at <span style='color:#E36C0A'><a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1/188-1002006-3563941?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=the%20transhumanist%20reader&sprefix=the+transhumanist+re%2Caps&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Athe%20transhumanist%20reader"><span style='color:#E36C0A'>Amazon</span></a>!</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><img border=0 width=67 height=96 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CF772C.D498E510" alt="cover email"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>William Flynn Wallace<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 24, 2014 8:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> [ExI] we need socialism<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>Libertarians don't like authority, or at least question it severely if it is some sort of science thing. But look at the needs of society:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>Somebody has to :<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>take out trash<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>fix roads<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>put out fires<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>catch bad guys<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>So what we do is pool out money through taxes and pay others to do this. OK, so this is kindergarten level, but wait.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>We have a right to hate communism based on its record in Russia, N Korea, Cuba and others. But wait: all of these are authoritarian-based. Aside from some hippie communes, where has libertarian socialism been practiced? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>Many of us hated Carl Rogers and his feel-good, unconditional positive regard theory of child raising. But - has it ever been really tried? Probably not, almost certainly not. As soon as a kid left his house he would be treated much differently.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:.25in'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>So we need socialism, like police departments - its' just a question of how much we will have. This group knows this, and knows that people on the right and people on the left will never ever agree on how much to take from individuals to benefit society.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0B5394'>Or maybe 14 trillion dollars of debt is a good stopping point. bill w<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>