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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org [mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> ExI chat list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] How the world collapses<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Sondre Bjellås <<a href="mailto:sondre-list@bjellas.com" target="_blank">sondre-list@bjellas.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span> I'm the happy owner of a Nissan Leaf, couldn't be more happy!<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'>>…</span>That's nice but in the end your all electric Nissan Leaf is probably getting its energy from fossil fuel just like my car, or maybe from nuclear. Due to things like regenerative braking your car might be a little more efficient than mine but not enough to change global warming.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> John K Clark <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ja there is that, but all-electric cars can help enable intermittent power sources.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A friend with a leaf was most annoyed with me I fear, for my referring to his ride as an emissions-elsewhere vehicle. But we can easily see how a huge fleet of all-electrics and plug-in hybrids will help with power generation load levelling, so we can use more effectively our ground-based solar and wind power. Leaf buyers, you are still helping, even if not in exactly the way it is being advertised.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>