<div dir="ltr">2014-06-04 5:38 GMT+03:00 Rafal Smigrodzki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafal.smigrodzki@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, William Flynn Wallace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foozler83@gmail.com" target="_blank">foozler83@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Jukk can sp</div><div class=""><div style="font-size:small;display:inline">eak for me too. I have directed several supposed conservatives to <a href="http://politicalcompass.org" target="_blank">politicalcompass.org</a> where they have taken the little test only to find that they are somewhat on the left, mainly because of social issues.</div>
<div style="font-size:small;display:inline"> I am still waiting for Rafa's data showing that leftists are as he described, which is not at all </div><div style="font-size:small;display:inline">what I believe in. So I think Rafa is making a huge generalization that he cannot support. wfw</div>
</div></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### Leftist is as leftists do. The leftist elite consistently acts in direct contravention of the lofty ideals that Jukka adduced. To the contrary, their actions betray an obsession with status, and hypocrisy. </div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My summarization was based on actual of evidence, I've seen having being undertaken by several leftist stakeholders in several countries. They are the ideals of the contemporary left wing to which modern left wing organizations aspire to. Politics is always about compromises and negotiations unless the leader is a dictator who doesn't need to negotiate. Like wise, the conservatives and the republicans do make compromises and negotiate. It is the nature of the representational democracy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>You may want to update your views on what is the left wing today, based on the actual evidence rather than outdated beliefs and myths. You are free to disagree with the ideals and have your own goals, but I hope you can acknowledge these values are shared by many leftists through-out the world. Your opinion of their desirability does not change their truth value.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't see value in referring to source materials, as it hasn't been the tradition on this mailing list, but I can assure you I have sufficient experience to summarize the views like this. I have taken part in international policy making in several organizations, I have had my opinions heard for OECD policy papers and I also have participated UNESCO conference.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The contemporary left wing doesn't usually believe in single leaders; it is more about the cooperation and achieving the shared goals rather than personal glory and wealth. There may be individuals aspiring for those too, like everywhere in the full political spectrum from right to left, but they are in minority when it concerns the left.</div>
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<div>If you think my generalization is incorrect it should be trivially easy for you to give me multitudinous examples of elite leftists in the US who do not fit this description.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>
<br></div><div>The world continues beyond U.S. borders. Most of the world population lives elsewhere.</div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>All the best,</div><div>Jukka</div></div></div></div>