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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/31/2014 01:40 PM, Omar Rahman
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Behalf Of Omar Rahman<br>
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see the positive potential in well regulated capitalism, can
you see<br>
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in unregulated capitalism?</span><br style="font-family:
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There is no "regulation" necessary to a free market except against
fraud and other initiations of force. Regulation beyond this is the
destruction of a free market, that is of human freedom to follow
what they believe in their own interest in making economic
decisions, to voluntarily reach agreements, to seek win-win in
economic transactions. <br>
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In a truly free country there should be a quite strong separation
between State and Economy. <br>
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none; display: inline !important;">Ja. The real problem is
that the term regulation assumes government</span><br
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governments are for sale. Humans have never invented</span><br
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was anything other than Plutocracies in various</span><br
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without exception. Marx theorized a hypothetical</span><br
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experimented with his notions at enormous cost in</span><br
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everywhere run on gold, at every level everywhere and</span><br
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universal truth of human behavior. All efforts to</span><br
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have merely reinforced it.</span><br style="font-family:
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<div>"All governments run on gold, at every level everywhere and
everywhen." - Spike </div>
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Governments are filled with human beings, just like the governed.
They are in no wise better - not smarter or more ethical or
wiser. So a government sets up some humans to make relatively
arbitrary decisions and gives them the power to impose them by force
on everyone else. That is what it is. If you are going to be
honest about government then you need to start with deep
understanding of that. It is why we should seek the very least
amount of something so dangerous and as well controlled as
possible. It is far far more dangerous than business of any sort
and size. Business cannot jail or kill you for refusing to purchase
or use its "services" or telling it to go efly a kite if it tries to
dictate terms to you - or else.<br>
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- samantha<br>
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