<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-06 22:09 GMT+03:00 Tara Maya <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tara@taramayastales.com" target="_blank">tara@taramayastales.com</a>></span>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div>On Jun 2, 2014, at 2:54 AM, Jukka Liukkonen <<a href="mailto:jukka.liukkonen@iki.fi" target="_blank">jukka.liukkonen@iki.fi</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite">
<div>The left wing is a very broad term, which includes everyone from marxists to anarchists, but most are mild social democrats or a bit more ecologically oriented green leftists. Like wise, the right wing includes anything from Pinochet to Obama and from Hitler to conservative christian fundamentalists. Many people thoughts are leaning to the left, despite they don't really acknowledge it. Perhaps, because those who disagree with leftist values are so keen on discrediting and pushing false information about the other side.</div>
</blockquote></div></div><div>This is why I don't much care for the terms "left" and "right." Any category that includes Pinochet, Obama, Hitler is useless. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div><p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">If you wish to classify the political ideologies properly, Pinochet, Obama and Hitler have to be placed <i>somewhere</i> on the political spectrum. The classification system is useless, if it is unable to classify some of the most known world leaders.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">I didn't want to make it too complicated, but another factor you may wish to add to this is the liberal-authoritarian axis. Those who are familiar to the american political rhetorics may have learnt a bit different use for these words, but don't let that confuse you. </p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">Basically <b>being liberal means</b> a great deal of personal freedoms, less control and more mutual trust, less state or corporate interventions and questioning and hindering the power of the political, the corporate and the religious leaders. </p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)"><i>Motto for liberals could be "Do what ever you want, but don't stop the others from doing that, too."</i></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">What comes to <b>the authoritarian</b> end, they tend trust the institutions and value traditions and traditional views. The leaders have great deal of power and the power is not expected to be questioned. The more authoritarian the society is, the less there is room for the free speech or e.g. sexual identity expression. The authoritarians want to have their citizens controlled more strictly, and they require obedience to the system. </p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)"><i>Authoritarian motto could be "Obedience, control and powerful leader."</i></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">These are just quick definitions and you may find more definitions in the Wikipedia. The liberal-authoritarian axis combined with left-right axis gives more accurate picture of the political ideologies. Of course, no political ideology is purely left or right or liberal or authoritarian. Most are somewhere in between.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(35,35,35)">You can find out your position on the political map with such websites as <a href="http://politicalcompass.org">politicalcompass.org</a></p>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Far more important is those that support democracy versus those that don't. Those that don't are so outside my value system that I have little to say to them. Those that do, ah, that is where the argument is. I might say to that person, "We both want a fair, free and prosperous society, now what does the evidence show us is the best way to achieve that?"</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There are so many different kind of democracy models... Not all democratic countries are free, fair or prosperous.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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