<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 6:13 PM, spike <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spike66@att.net" target="_blank">spike66@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">The future doesn’t need everyone here, and the future’s need for some of us is only declining, with no end in sight. Eschewing robo-cafés will not make the problem go away; embracing them will not make it go away either.</span><br>
</p><p><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">What do we do now?</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>### Let me give you a Marxist answer: Everything depends on who and how controls the means of production (that's the usual commie word for capital).</div>
<div><br></div><div>In our society capital is controlled by a relatively large group of citizens, using the social conventions of firms, stocks, private ownership, state ownership, and other social technologies where these social conventions rely on widespread acquiescence achieved through habit, self-sustaining social pressure, and calculation of self-interest. The system is ultimately backstopped by machine guns and nuclear weapons but, as the salient point here, it depends on widespread human attitudes because many humans can sabotage it or use it to their benefit. Both are important - ability to break stuff means partial control, ability to benefit provides incentives to be involved. It is a stalemate of mutually assured impoverishment, a moderately efficient Nash equilibrium.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The new development is that human skills are no longer needed. The question is whether human attitudes will remain important as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Let's for the sake of argument think about mining investment in Freedonia. Today the international investor knows that the locals could decide to take his mine away, increase taxes, loot, nationalize (I am using multiple synonyms), and both the political elite and the unwashed masses are a danger to the owner of capital which is why the owner has to pay off the elites to keep the masses at bay. Things do not run smoothly - there are always some rebels running around, coups happen and new leeches have to paid from scratch, and small time thieves exact their toll as well. All of them can break your shit, so their attitudes matter. Furthermore, many of them can directly benefit from breaking or taking your stuff, so they are incentivized to get involved.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now, let's say that a fully automated mine is built. Big progress - most activity is underground, there are automated trucks laden with refined metal driving out but otherwise humans see nothing stealable, not even office supplies. Control over capital no longer has intermediaries - there are no engineers, managers, janitors. The capitalist is the one who has legitimized root access to the control software. Attitudes of human workers don't matter, since there are no human workers. Ned and his friends can't break your looms anymore.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Maybe you can pay the elites to let you use your robots for defense against thieves, for now using only non-lethal devices, The masses can no longer directly pressure you. Their attitude towards you no longer matters. The robots cannot be diverted to other uses, like stolen cars or guns, since they are programmed to self-destruct if stolen. There is less incentive to steal.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Let's go a step further. The elites still get paid and they use some of the loot to buy a robotic army, to deal with the rebels. Whoever has a robotic army, wins. The attitudes of others don't matter. They don't have to paid off. Whoever has root access to the army control software is the sovereign.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Of course, Freedonians didn't write the software. Somebody somewhere in the cloud has root access. If the Freedonian elites try to take your mine, you pay for their army to refuse orders. You may consider keeping the elites as an ornament but their attitudes don't matter. Root access is the key.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Rinse and repeat - Freedonia, Nigeria, Turkey, China, USA - their time of decisions and change will come. There will be variations but all will face the question of how to control potentially sentient capital when humans do not matter.</div>
<div><br></div><div>To summarize: The shape of the future will depend on the information technologies used to control access to capital. Labor will be irrelevant, economically and politically. Will technology would be compatible with wide access to capital, and using what criteria, what feedback loops? Or will technology favor increasingly centralized control of capital?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Maybe multiple independent makers and owners of robots could achieve a stable stalemate of mutually assured destruction. But maybe technology wants something else.</div><div><br></div><div>No doubt there will be some path dependency - societies with strong traditions of participatory politics may be able to retain distributed control of capital, through stock markets where each share gives partial root access to a company's financial structure, or through widespread private ownership of robots. Maybe future Solarians will use brain implants to maintain cryptographic control over the laboring multitudes of asimos (at least until Blissenobiarella intervenes).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Others may use more stupid methods like sovereign investment funds spreading robot-made largesse to the human drones, and a state-owned robot army programmed to obey duly elected commanders. </div><div>
<br></div><div>Yet other societies may end up with a very narrow elite, possibly a single supreme and direct controller of all capital. And of course, even before the dust settles, new disruptions in the form of self-owning non-human AI as well as uploaded and modified post-humans will introduce yet another layer of unpredictability.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The only thing I am certain of is that these will be interesting times.</div><div><br></div><div>Rafal</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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